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  • K24R Offset Top Mounts

    So, after several years (linky), I've taken the plunge and had these made up (cheers to bambridge)

    Introducing the K24R offset top mounts










    As ever, these are black hard anodised aluminium (apart from the sleeve and nut), for strength, weight and longevity.

    The bearings are a heat fit, so are totally solid in the top mount body. I also have provision for 3 retaining screws, as a safety net. The bearings are motorsport spec, rated to over 10 tons static axial weight and are PTFE lined, for protection from the elements. On the front, I will be designing a cap to isolate the top of the bearing from any debris but the base needs more thought. Bearing removal... not tried that one but then these bearings cost more each than some 'performance' top mounts, so I'm pinning some high hopes on them

    The top plate is held to the body with 4 M8 bolts and the body has provision for a 3mm thick O ring, to help with friction when mounting.

    On the front, these top mounts can be used to increase camber by up to 1 deg or castor by 1 deg or both by 0.75 deg, when mounted at 45 deg. For the rest of the permutations and combinations, consult the sine or cosine buttons on your calculator

    On the rear, they offer up to 1 deg more camber and the top plates have integrated mounts for a strut brace.

    On both axles, the top mounts move the strut top position in by up to 10mm (7.5mm when utilising the combined camber/castor effect) and in doing so, reduce positive camber under extreme deflection, as the tangent between mounting point and wishbone arc moves upwards a bit.

    In combination with my 12mm offset subframe mounts, these will offer 2 deg more castor in the front, when used in the combined camber / castor setting, much more positive strut location and more accurate steering.

    Downsides are upfront cost (I doubt there will be change from £100 a corner + bearings!), possible harsher ride and extra stress on the body.
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    Cheers'en, AndyC
    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

  • #2
    id love to see pics of them installed

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    • #3
      so would I
      Cheers'en, AndyC
      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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      • #4
        Could you use the topplate with the strut brace provision on the front for non s2 cars?

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        • #5
          *drool
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kieron20V View Post
            Could you use the topplate with the strut brace provision on the front for non s2 cars?

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            Should be able to fashion something I'm sure but I would have to do a variant of the bracket anyway, as it's angled for additional camber rather than any castor.
            Cheers'en, AndyC
            1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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            • #7
              Very nice mate. Do you plan to add a poly / rubber ring in the recess at the top?
              Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
              Indigo ABY coupé
              Imola B6 S4 Avant

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              • #8
                Not a load bearing one, just one for friction when fitting. Top mounts of this design don't lend themselves to having flexible parts, as it would allow unwanted movement. Concentric ones would be a different story.
                Cheers'en, AndyC
                1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                • #9
                  Hi Rusty,

                  Excuse my ignorance, but wouldn't some sort of "rubber ring" at the top allow a little bit of oem type complaince, without majorly detracting from the more obvious advantages of changing the castor / camber angles, and the more durable bearings ?

                  If so it would open them up to practically everyone with a B4 the world over ?

                  Not everyone wants to run metal subframe bushes / polybushes / track engine & gearbox mounts / solid top mounts.

                  Just my uneducated tuppence worth.

                  Best wishes and keep up the good work, as oem style / design top mounts on B4 are a real weak link. Should never have been allowed out of the factory door by Audi. C4 ones are much better / durable.



                  Looking forward to the installed photos. Thanks.


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                  • #10
                    Very nice!
                    1995 1PissedOff90sigpic1991 USDM CQ 7aT

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                    • #11
                      As I said, you can't run these with any compliance, as they would rotate. The only way to do it is to drill the strut tower to locate them.

                      These are a specialist product designed for performance. There are a few more comfortable options already out there, some of which I've tried, some I haven't.

                      If there is a demand for £500 a set top mounts then I'll look in to it but based on the cost of these prototypes, I'd need someone to stump up the investment!

                      I'm happy to discuss other options but another thread relating to concentric items seems more appropriate.
                      Cheers'en, AndyC
                      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                      • #12
                        I was thinking more from a perspective of trying to prevent the top mount from work hardening the turret steel, by locating it radially as well as axially against the turret top - I just saw the recess and guess that was what it was for
                        Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                        Indigo ABY coupé
                        Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rusty View Post
                          As I said, you can't run these with any compliance, as they would rotate. The only way to do it is to drill the strut tower to locate them.

                          These are a specialist product designed for performance. There are a few more comfortable options already out there, some of which I've tried, some I haven't.

                          If there is a demand for £500 a set top mounts then I'll look in to it but based on the cost of these prototypes, I'd need someone to stump up the investment!

                          I'm happy to discuss other options but another thread relating to concentric items seems more appropriate.
                          Thanks for reply, content noted, back on topic.

                          Will do a separate thread as correctly suggested.




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                          • #14
                            I'd be interested in a set of these! My only concern is the angle of the strut brace bracket when running any amount of castor. From what I can tell, the brackets would point inward towards each other when dialing the mounts strictly for increased camber.

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                            • #15
                              The strut brace bracket shown is for rear use only, a different bracket can be easily designed for front use.
                              Cheers'en, AndyC
                              1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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