Warning!! Wagner RS2 EVO EM Copies...

[fish]

Originally Posted by KSR AS
Wagner has not ordered anything from oss.som yourself watching S2 forum that can not withstand competition from other Wagner konkurenter.eller that we order from the same company that he himself, what do we know ... we think that it's nice and to provide the manifold to a more accurate price to you.

If you are such a serious company, how come you haven´t even have someone who at least can write in english? Last time i checked "konkurenter" and "eller" were not English words.

[Error404]

Classic Engrish... surely there is a norwegian equivalent of trading standards or customs & excise etc who can get these fakes taken off the market? And hopefully get the theives banged up in a very rapey prison.

[konradwax]

Lupo i know what your goin through, i work at a paintball gun machine shop and we produce top of the line products( if you paintball, youve used our stuff) but anyway what you have to do is get that other manifold and compare it to yours...measurments, pics and so on. If you have some kind of patent or legal documents claiming your product it would make it easier but if not its still possible to make them pay! I hate people who use other peoples hard earned time and money into r&d and just copy a product and claim it to be it! If you need assistance or have questions just let me know i have good lawyers that i can ask

[AndersS2]

Pictures of the fake Em is now in the norwegian thread: http://forum.vwaudi-club.no/showthre...67#post2046367

[Jamo]

Try to google "Wagner Manifold". This thread comes up as no3 and one of the norwegian vwaudi-club threads comes up as no7 Both on the first page...

Not on U.K searches it doesn't mainly because uk / us searches prioritise english language links

What is the link to this Norway thread?

[goodall]

Link after using google.no find it and running google translate

[Trist28]

Here are the pics as on page 4 of the forum posts

[Lupo911]

[jonuss]

But is it legal to buy or sell a simililar manifoil without the wagner logo on?

[Lupo911]

But is it legal to buy or sell a simililar manifoil without the wagner logo on?

Do you think it is legal? Why Not send an Audi rs2 to China and have a copy made and sell it then?

Or just have some iPhone copys made? it Might Be a good seller aswell...

Come on Guys, if this will Be the Way, i am going to stop Making Parts for Cars right Away....

[A80Avant]

many chinese companies make fake Nike shoes, fake Nokia phone fascias and covers, fake batteries (or should i just say lower quality) and the minute you lay hands on them, you know they are crap. Unfortunatelly even these big companies havent done anything about it as you readily can still find them being sold for so many years.

I would say, let those who want to try those cheap immitations out take their risks. So long as they know they are buying an immitation you should have anything to worry about Carsten.

[goodall]

Imitations can work to a companies advantage, for example if some one is too poor to afford a iphone they might buy a fake, however there ultimate goal will still to be own an iphone, whenever they have the money. This is a form of brand loyalty, as the customer may gone bought a HTC for example and would stayed with HTC then after otherwise. I know this is a fairly contrived argument, but same can be said for HKS ete, people with japanese cars buy the replica parts which dont last, however they may after a year or two decided to stretch for the proper HKS part as they know the replica worked, it just didn't last.

However this may not be the case here, as people wont really know they're buying fakes and may be detrimental to your image as the replicas will give you a bad name you dont deserve

Personally I will in year next year or so be looking for a exhaust manifold and will more likely buy one your manifolds as I know your manifolds are very well designed and made with the correct software, manufacturing and materials. This is because I dont want waste time or money on a sub-standard part that I will have to throw away after a year and either buy the same crap again or just pay full money for the proper thing I should bought in the first place. I think that in general most the the community on this forum would agree with my philosophy and very few people will buy these knock of manifolds

[jonuss]

Do you think it is legal? Why Not send an Audi rs2 to China and have a copy made and sell it then?

Or just have some iPhone copys made? it Might Be a good seller aswell...

Come on Guys, if this will Be the Way, i am going to stop Making Parts for Cars right Away....

You misunderstand me, if the manifoil is not 100% like yours i dont think it is a copy. Wagners manifoild is built to be bolt on i a rs2 with better flow. Do you then sell a copy of improved rs2 manifoil then and asked wag group if that is okay?

A lot of styling from rieger have been copyed in poland with small adjustments and then it is alloved. Watch on e-bay on all of the hks and forge copy. They are alloved because of small adjustement on produckts to meet the rules. Sad but true.

Some big companys have copied mine custom chipsets. What can i do with that? Nothing.

[GazzaG60]

copyright and china are areas not worth touching

CECT is the biggest clone maker in the world for mobiles. they produce iphone and sony x series copies. not 100% at all but only a fractino of the cost. they dont however pretend to be an iphone. just a clone/look-a-like.

a person using Carstens images is obviously trying to pass of his substandard product as the real deal. leading the customer on to thinking they are getting the same for less. then they get it see its crap and feel potentially that wagner products are not good. they may complain to an internet page lol and get no reply and also think the service is poor too.

now i know from working for a company that manufactures in china that companies often buy a competitor product and investigate its good and bad points. they dont however use another companies pictures and names to sell the product.

like i say sometimes,so i hear, the power of the internet and its wizards are better than legal routes.

[Sonic]

a person using Carstens images is obviously trying to pass of his substandard product as the real deal. leading the customer on to thinking they are getting the same for less...

and just adds insult to injury.

Whatever happens, keep up the awesome work Carsten