The politics/election thread

[GazzaG60]

lets face it the ministers are along for the ride as much as anybody. what control do they really have? its very little. the EU will over rule, human rights etc etc.

they tend to sit on the fence and therfore try not to upset anybody now.

i dont vote. cant see the point. i may as well concentrate on what i can get for myself.

maggie ruined this country from a diversity prospective and basically made it what it is. new labour is basically hanging on the blue coat tails.

lets ask ourselves what we want?

most want more jobs for uk bred people, less handouts to non natives, safer streets, prioritised healthcare for tax payers..... i could go on. the only party who is willing to even stick a toe in here is the BNP and maybe UKIP. i see UKIP as blues who wanted to have their own say. dont think they would put any weight behind it.most dont have the public ******** to vote for BNP even if they would really like to. they think they will be instantly looked on as a racist.

having said that if we have nationals who are to lazy to work that opens the door to hard working poles for less wonga. i like most dont resent a person who is trying to make something out of life, its the parasites.

you hear many a shout of the good old days from the older generation, when doors were not locked etc......in those days we were racist and not shot at dawn for it.

just exactly what did my grand parents fight for in WW2.

[Colesy]

MP's that are qualified in whatever office of government they eventually get into

Couldn't agree more!

To think that in business experience is the main thing that any employer looks for in a candidate for a job. But in government MPs are shuffled around from one area to another without a second thought for suitability. So we end up with a loyal fool managing the whole of the country's transport, education, health, defense etc. Most of them are career politicians and have no experience of the department they are in charge of, it's absolutely ridiculous!

And we wonder why so much of our taxes are wasted!

[Fat Audi 80]

you hear many a shout of the good old days from the older generation, when doors were not locked etc......in those days we were racist and not shot at dawn for it.

just exactly what did my grand parents fight for in WW2.

A free country that welcomes one and all regardless of colour, religion or creed!

[urS6Tom]

most want more jobs for uk bred people, less handouts to non natives

No offence, but I really don't think that's what most people want at all. We've moved on from it mattering where you're born. It's really not that important any more..

[GazzaG60]

your speaking from london and bristol.

not manchester, oldham, burnley, leeds etc. oh its important to some still. there are bigger issues in the poorer areas.

what of the other parts of the statement like priotisied services for payers? im all for welcoming others. i have many a friend from ethnic backgrounds. but i dont welcome tunnel hoppers and other parasites that bleed my 40% out of existance. the 40% is for me and my parents no some other *****. they can **** right off.

to my knowledge steve thats not what they were fighting for. it was to stay british and as the worlds biggest opressors, the colonialists. the view of most of the rest of the world was that we owned too much of it. What was seen as freedom then really meant control of others freedom.not that that point carries any real weight anyway.

persons who bring value fear not the BNP or any other nationalist party i think.

least this has cleared up we all want for different things.

"im not racist" as Father ted once said.

[urS6Tom]

what of the other parts of the statement like priotisied services for payers? im all for welcoming others. i have many a friend from ethnic backgrounds. but i dont welcome tunnel hoppers and other parasites that bleed my 40% out of existance. the 40% is for me and my parents no some other *****. they can **** right off.

I'd agree people who are net contributors to the tax pot should go to the front of the queue for some services (although healthcare is a bit of a difficult one!). And I can't stand the attitude that a lot of people in this country seem to have which is that it's ok to sponge off the state.

But I don't see the difference between a British sponger and a Polish sponger or a Pakistani sponger. To me, a white man in Essex who is content to get by on whatever benefits he can screw out of the system is no better than a non-British person who has settled in Oldham and doesn't have any intention of making a living through their own hard work. As far as I'm concerned they can both f*** off and stop leeching off my taxes, I don't care where they were born.

[Fat Audi 80]

your speaking from london and bristol.

not manchester, oldham, burnley, leeds etc. oh its important to some still. there are bigger issues in the poorer areas.

what of the other parts of the statement like priotisied services for payers? im all for welcoming others. i have many a friend from ethnic backgrounds. but i dont welcome tunnel hoppers and other parasites that bleed my 40% out of existance. the 40% is for me and my parents no some other *****. they can **** right off.

to my knowledge steve thats not what they were fighting for. it was to stay british and as the worlds biggest opressors, the colonialists. the view of most of the rest of the world was that we owned too much of it. What was seen as freedom then really meant control of others freedom.not that that point carries any real weight anyway.

persons who bring value fear not the BNP or any other nationalist party i think.

least this has cleared up we all want for different things.

"im not racist" as Father ted once said.

I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth or start a debate about racism, but you can't use the letter B N P without it conjuring up completely the wrong image.

All that matters is that people contribute to society as much as possible regardless of where they were born or the colour of their skin etc.

I agree with Tom, it is the wasters and the layabouts that get up people noses.

I do DISAGREE though that the more you contribute the better off you should be within the system. The same services should apply to all regardless if you earn £5k or £500k and I think that is were the boundaries between some of the political land lies....

If you earn more, contribute more, it's not that much of a hardship!

Cheers,

Steve.

[bunyoch]

As I said tae the wan at the door --" Ah always vote , an Ah vote fur the wan o ye Ah dislike least ! " ---gave him something to think about and wi any luck curdled his brain

I think your sign should read ---CANVASSERS NOT
An it wid save them wearin oot the bell ! .

[jogi730]

How can you vote for anyone?
THey have all forgotten the reason they are elected in the first place - to represent the people. None of them seem to do that.
THe expenses scandal that was exposed and apparently looked into, very little in real terms is being done to stop the swindles.
Look at HArriet Harman. Took £160,000 ordered to pay back £16,000. Wouldn't we all want loans like that. THink how many really lovely souped up Audi's we could sort out for that.
Anyway, I think I had better finish now.

Really pissed off public sector worker!

[Evilgoat76]

I really dont know. Its all gone so very wrong

[GazzaG60]

either way i wont be voting. not sure of many of my mates who my mates who may be voting.

we wont be voting for dead relatives either.

[curlyks2]

The main problem for me is that I don't yet know what the parties actually stand for. They seem to be spending most of their time trashing the other parties, without actually telling me what their policies are themselves. For example, the very recent Conservative publicity featuring two Labour boots stamping out the alledged green shoots of recovery tells me only that the Conservatives believe that Labour plans won't work. (See here if you missed it.) It doesn't tell me what the Conservative plans are. Prime Ministers questions is particularly frustrating, since they just slag each other off without achieving anything remotely constructive. I find this approach to campaigning and political activity quite insulting - I would like to be treated as an intelligent person who can make my own mind up based on straight forward presentations of policy and approach.

we wont be voting for dead relatives either.

I won't be voting for any dead relatives, but that's simply because all my dead relatives are pushing up daisies rather than standing for office.

If you earn more, contribute more, it's not that much of a hardship!

And it's the default state of existance for anyone paying their taxes above board in this country: since income tax is a percentage of earnings, the more you earn the more you pay. Somewhere up at income levels I'd like to achieve one day, there's also a higher rate tax band, above which the rate at which income tax is paid goes up. After the last budget, I think there's also an even higher rate (50% for earnings over £150k?), but I can only dream about those kinds of numbers.

Personally I would like to see a completely new party made up of MP's that are qualified in whatever office of government they eventually get into

Jamo for Secretary of State for Transport then? The current incumbent - Lord Adonis - appears to have no relevant background. The Conservative shadow, Theresa Villiers appears similarly well qualified, as does the current Liberal Democrat mouthpiece (sorry, I mean spokesman), Norman Baker.

[GazzaG60]

explain the fundamentals of why my education, which my parents paid for and my hard work should go to others.

[Le S2 Audi]

explain the fundamentals of why my education, which my parents paid for and my hard work should go to others.

If you Don't Vote.... (Which is your right not to BTW...)

Please - Don't sit there and moan about things.... :mischeif:

You have one chance every 4-5 years to have a say so don't waist it...

I know sometimes it seems pointless but you must use it...

[driftin jo]

It would seem from the results so far that a lot of you seem to be going to vote conservative.

What is that old saying , “Those who don't know there past are doomed to repeat it”

maybe there are a lot of people who do not remember when the Fuel Price Escalator was invented
as they had not started driving then, for those who don't it was started in 1993 by the conservatives , back then, believe it or not, the UK had one of the cheapest fuel prises in Europe .

This added 5 % above inflation to fuel every year and by 2000 when it was finally scrapped by Labour had resulted in the UK having the highest fuel prises in Europe .

So when you are thinking you can hardly afford to drive your S2 any more due to the price of fuel remember you have the Conservatives to thank for that.