Student Demonstrations

[Fat Audi 80]

[polite round of applause]

One of the more sensible and considered things I've seen written today about yesterday's appauling scenes. No member of the NUS would condone violence or rioting to make their point, it's the age old issue of a small fraction ruining a valid protest by the masses.

As for all this 'I hate students' attitude. Simply put, without those who went to university and who run the industry that makes our GDP, we'd be nothing as a country. We are renowned for our innovation and world leading industries and in many cases these are run by highly educated and motivated individuals or groups, most, if not all of whom have been 'students' at one stage or another. Sure there are exceptions but they are few far between.

Awaits the sight of virtual chairs being thrown at Rusty and Fatty in the S2Forum clubhouse....

[Le S2 Audi]

Have to agree with everything said so far...

If you wanna toss it off for 3 years then you should have to pay for it...

This might also bring back some of the prestige that should be associated with having a degree...

It may also get students to do proper courses rather than some of the cr4p that is offered by uni's just to bump up attendance/Student numbers...

IMO Uni should be for those that are clever enough - not for a cop out for 3 years at tax payers expense, if you are rich enough to pay for a 3 year cop out great get on with it... If not then there should be breaks for those that are clever enough but not rich enough to afford it...

My 2p's worth!!

I went to the university of "Life & Hard Knocks!!"

[Error404]

Back when less than 10% of people went to uni and actually studied things that were worthwhile, then yes it was in the countries interests for the public purse to pick up the tab. Now that Tony Blair and his communist mates thought it was a good idea for every tom d1ck and prick to go to university, and the predominance of courses being utterly pointless, its outrageous to think the country should pay for the masses to doss their way though "higher education". The unfortunate situation is that "real" subjects like the sciences & languages are actually falling in student numbers, when these are the only kinds of subject matter that benefit our economy

[Rusty]

Toss it off for 3 years? 4 years for me thank you very much

Out of interest How long did you toss it off for at the 'university of life and hard knocks'?

As for rich / poor etc. that is what means testing is designed to sort out - If you're from a poorer family then your fees are reduced and your loan increased. I'm not say it's fair or flawless but it exists.

Finally, there are a load of useless courses out there from places that are merely out to make money off the back of some student's blind optimism and I completely agree that these areas should be addressed. Apprenticeships and vocational qualifications are an area that has got lost in the mists of time and IMO a resurgence in these areas will give people relevant and useable skills to forge a career from in many areas where foreign labour is increasingly becoming the only useable option.

[Fat Audi 80]

*Ducks for cover*

[Error404]

how many ducks do you need Steve, I've got **** loads here

[Rusty]

How do they turn Ducks into tape though? That's never been on Discovery.

[Error404]

[Dan]

Must be the same people who make oil from babies.

[Rusty]

Is that the mk.5 v.6 or the mk.6 v.5

[Error404]

[Le S2 Audi]

Toss it off for 3 years? 4 years for me thank you very much

Meant if your are doing something like media studies etc...

Out of interest How long did you toss it off for at the 'university of life and hard knocks'?

Still learning now...

As for rich / poor etc. that is what means testing is designed to sort out - If you're from a poorer family then your fees are reduced and your loan increased. I'm not say it's fair or flawless but it exists.

I know and it's a good thing - but should be more stringent for courses like media etc and more generious for classic's - Maths, Science's etc etc

Finally, there are a load of useless courses out there from places that are merely out to make money off the back of some student's blind optimism and I completely agree that these areas should be addressed. Apprenticeships and vocational qualifications are an area that has got lost in the mists of time and IMO a resurgence in these areas will give people relevant and useable skills to forge a career from in many areas where foreign labour is increasingly becoming the only useable option.

[Rusty]

Turning quack, quack, quack into tape - It's still waterproof but I wonder if that's still the case when there's an oil spill

[s2driveruk]

i wonder that as i didn't go to Uni whether i should cry foul and ask for a tax break

Actually, i have to say that a few years of noddy degree's has done wonders to level the playing field for those who have learn't their skill on the job so to speak, as opposed to those who turn up with a 2:1 in twighlight origami or suchlike. Some employers have realised that many of them are bone idle and have actually learnt sod all in terms of how to exist and contribute in the workplace.

I'm quite proud of what i did when i was a 'youf' deciding that i couldn't see the point in studying for 3 years in a subject i didn't believe in or thought wouldn't contribute to where i wanted to go in life. I genuinely believe hard work, experience and a good understanding of the world you work in is just as vaulable as recounting pointless sh*te from a textbook any day of the week. (that naturally doesn't apply to those who have taken a degree in a subject which is key to a role )

[montez]

I am a student studying at the moment for a degree in architecture in my 4th year of 6 at university. I never have any spare time and it irritates the hell out of me when you get woken up by constantly pissed students who do **** all work for a shoddy degree in nothing remotely relevant to life. I do feel privileged to be at university though, of course I would be more happy if it was free but then there would be even more wasters joining in for a laugh. I don't mind paying for the student loan as I know if I put the effort in, it will eventually lead to me getting a good job in something I enjoy.

I as a student don't condone the violence and think it is very disrespectful and selfish, people need to be grateful for what we have got in this country and be pleased we live in a place that actually has a good educational system.