Stock AAN, 400m

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  • vcosmin
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Apr 2008
    • 644
    • Country: Romania

    #1

    Stock AAN, 400m

    Hi, i did some test today after finished repairing (suspensions related), and changing oil in my s4 (suspensions related), i have a few questions, the car has 270.000 km, an about 1700kg, with me on board, and half tank on gas.
    0-100 kmh was 6.5sec with soft launch at 4000 rpm (i really dont want to stress the clutch, and the first gear to much), and the 400m time was 14.5 sec, but the beltronics gives me about 257 hp, or so, that means i input the wrong cx i think ? the car is not chipped i am sure about it. What would be the correct cx, and the powertrain losses about 30% ? or so ?
  • prosty
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jun 2005
    • 1114
    • Country: Sweden

    #2
    14.5 with a S4 is a good time for sure!
    6.5 is OK but the final ET is really good. 257 might be right for such a heavy car and that speed. My saab weighed about 1600 kg and did 14.2, had about 240-250 hp
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    • vcosmin
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Apr 2008
      • 644
      • Country: Romania

      #3
      How can i tell if my car is chipped? without reaching the ecu ? On Autocheck it shows 2.1 bar on overboost, and Ecu code from Vagcom, seems like the original one.

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      • Rusty
        Super Moderator
        • Jun 2004
        • 18953
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        If it's anything like the GTech then it give power at the wheels so there's about 20% to add on.

        100 in 6.5 and 14.5 400m is really good for an S4, I'd be happy with that in a non chipped S2, I got 60 in 6.4 and 14.7 1/4 with 258bhp at the fly.
        Cheers'en, AndyC
        1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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        • vcosmin
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Apr 2008
          • 644
          • Country: Romania

          #5
          Exactly, i was thinking that maybe i have a chipped ecu, but i want to be sure

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          • Rusty
            Super Moderator
            • Jun 2004
            • 18953
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Only real way to find out is to get it on a rolling road or get a boost gauge on there, standard is 1 bar, chipped is usually 1.3-1.5
            Cheers'en, AndyC
            1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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            • UrS4boy
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Feb 2006
              • 11859
              • Country: Canada

              #7
              Originally posted by vcosmin
              How can i tell if my car is chipped? without reaching the ecu ? On Autocheck it shows 2.1 bar on overboost, and Ecu code from Vagcom, seems like the original one.
              Only way to know is to open up the ECU and check it:

              http://www.s-cars.org/postnuke/modul...rder=0&thold=0 (Note is is for a North American LHD car - similar but different for RHD)

              and then

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              94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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              • gedu
                S2Forum Addict
                • Feb 2007
                • 295

                #8
                My UrS4 managed 6.4sec 0-100km/h, and that's with 290HP on dyno.
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                • vcosmin
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 644
                  • Country: Romania

                  #9


                  i have inputed the wrong weight from a previous tested car (audi 80 1.6td) - (1080) kg, i only did 3 runs, as in my last try , i slipped the cluth , and there was lot of smell, so i think i will upgraded it and try a full bost launch, and proper clutch usage .

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                  • vcosmin
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 644
                    • Country: Romania

                    #10
                    After a chip, 1.4 max boost, removing the cats (only the interior) and removing the mesh from MAF (more for response, than power) i made another mesurements, i got 249-250-240hp with 0% drive train loses, and 1900weight - 1740car + 80 me + tank full, and 2 spare tires in trunk. I was curious, how is the drive train lose in a URS4, about 50hp ?

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                    • EspenW
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 1534
                      • Country: Norway

                      #11
                      Originally posted by vcosmin
                      After a chip, 1.4 max boost, removing the cats (only the interior) and removing the mesh from MAF (more for response, than power) i made another mesurements, i got 249-250-240hp with 0% drive train loses, and 1900weight - 1740car + 80 me + tank full, and 2 spare tires in trunk. I was curious, how is the drive train lose in a URS4, about 50hp ?
                      Drivetrain loss consists of a static component, a component that is dependent on load and a component that is dependent on rpm.
                      If it were a fixed amount of say, 50hp, a 45hp engine would not be able to move the S4. Stock AAN's put down approx 175hp on the Mustang dyno. That indicates close to 25% loss at this power level.. The percentage gets smaller with more power, since seal drag, etc is static, and thus percentage wise smaller with increasing power.
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                      • vcosmin
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 644
                        • Country: Romania

                        #12
                        Update, new ingnition , cold air (-3 C) , hot turbo, winter tires, 13.97 @ 400m, and 5.7 0-100kmh, hope the g tech was working right,

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                        • M_GORDON
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 1295
                          • Home: Isle of Man Current: Vatican City State

                          #13
                          I know that a lot of S4 have around of 250zp.
                          It´s possible because you have front manifold

                          PS: don´t have the catas this, you must put one hoses into
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                          • S2-63
                            S2Forum Buff
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 25
                            • Home: France Current: Netherlands

                            #14
                            Your times are correct, I think.

                            My old S4 was special, I didn't change anything on it at all (280000km), and I made the same time as a Sport quattro untill 260km/h and then he coulndn't follow any more.

                            The Sport quattro was mesured by a french magazine 2 weeks before: 5,3s 0/100km/h and around 25s for 0/1000m

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