The S2, 17 years ahead of its time?!

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  • Rusty
    Super Moderator
    • Jun 2004
    • 18953
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    The S2, 17 years ahead of its time?!

    Just been reading the Autocar review of the Mitsy Evo X FQ300 and have to say that I felt a severe sense of deja vu...

    Firstly there are the figures:-

    1590kg, 58/42 weight distribution

    290bhp / 300ftlbs

    0-60 5.7s

    0-100 14.3s

    Ring any bells?

    Then the car has Macpherson strut front suspension and multi-link rears... no suprise that the ride is criticised... still not with me? (one for the avant boys to gloat over).

    OK then, Mitsy have altered the tune of the engine so that now it's torquier in the mid range and fells a little flat up top, it's lost some mentalness but gained driveability... nearly there?

    My immediate reaction from the road test is that it's taken Mistubishi 10 goes but they've finally turned their harcore rally beast into what Audi designed and built 17 years ago... the S2. Perhaps a remap is required to match the figures but honestly I can't tell the difference between the figures on paper and reading the review most of the pros and cons are about the same as any review you care to read on the S2, all bar the steering and perhaps overall chassis balance but there's no intrusive electronics in the S2, if you enter a corner 20mph too fast sideways then it's up to you and mr TORSEN to sort it out, not more computing power than a Saturn V rocket.

    Sure, the yaw control and stability control make it much better to drive but a 58% front weight distribution is the same as the much criticised S2 and yet the Evo X is praised. Why? Because Audi didn't setup the suspension and Rallyart did. OK, the engine in the S2 is heavier and sits further forward but the weight distribution and overally mass is the same so it just goes to show that we're not all wasting our time plaing with the S2.

    I'm forever joking with people that criticise the car based on magazine articles of old that I've spent 4 years understanding the car and removing the Audiness from it and the results are a car that's pretty entertaining in many way, not least its devastating cross country performance on all but the tightest of B roads.

    So there we have it, my argument as to why the S2 is 17 years ahead of its time because Mitsubishi have nearly perfected the S2 with 10 goes at trying!
    Cheers'en, AndyC
    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss
  • BRY
    S2Forum Possessed
    • Nov 2004
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    #2
    How many years in front are the avants of the coupes?
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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #3
      Very well observed Mr Casey... I like your thinking. Oh and I bet the Evo-X drivers will be delighted when you blow them off in your 17yr old Coupe (with some 'Audiness' removed). LOL
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      • s2bug
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        • Nov 2007
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        #4
        Lets keep blowing of in cars to the girls shall we!!

        S2 Avant ABY

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        • Rusty
          Super Moderator
          • Jun 2004
          • 18953
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Originally posted by BRY
          How many years in front are the avants of the coupes?
          I read somewhere recently that Audi originally had Macpherson strut suspension planned for the rear of the Avant but upon reflection and acknowledgement of the obesitiy epidemic that they knew would be hitting Europe, Audi realised that for the Avant to perform it's primary duty, namely a coffin carrier, they would have to maximise the load area width and thus install a more compact suspension system to fit in the new XX wide coffins that were being imported from America at that time. So basically, if it wasn't for the obesity epidemic you Avant boys wouldn't be able to moonlight
          Cheers'en, AndyC
          1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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          • s2_bo
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Oct 2005
            • 6067
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            #6
            Score!!
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            • ryster
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              • Sep 2007
              • 224
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              A friend of mine has just got a evo X a few weeks ago , ill have to point out the spec of are 17 year old s2 s , and how similar they are because he thinks its best / fastest thing on the planet . fare play though it nice but haven't been in yet .

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              • MidnightBlueS2
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Jul 2005
                • 1653
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                #8
                Originally posted by s2bug
                Lets keep blowing of in cars to the girls shall we!!

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                • pixsaudisex2
                  S2Forum Possessed
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 3110

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Andy_Casey
                  I read somewhere recently that Audi originally had Macpherson strut suspension planned for the rear of the Avant but upon reflection and acknowledgement of the obesitiy epidemic that they knew would be hitting Europe, Audi realised that for the Avant to perform it's primary duty, namely a coffin carrier, they would have to maximise the load area width and thus install a more compact suspension system to fit in the new XX wide coffins that were being imported from America at that time. So basically, if it wasn't for the obesity epidemic you Avant boys wouldn't be able to moonlight
                  i heard that audi were that chuffed that they stopped water getting in the boot off the avant they made the boot wider so you could leave anything anywhere with out it getting wet. its just what i heard.

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                  • urs4quattro
                    S2Forum Enthusiast
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 100
                    • Country: Northern Ireland

                    #10
                    0-60 in 5.7 secs?? Seems a bit slow does it not? Sure there's not a typo in the mag, always thought the evoIX fq was a sub 5 secs 0-60 car.
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                    • Rusty
                      Super Moderator
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 18953
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      That's with the DSG 'box in there.
                      Cheers'en, AndyC
                      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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