6 stroke engine of the future?

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  • Error404
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    • Mar 2007
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    #1

    6 stroke engine of the future?

    why has noone made this happen yet?
    As with all great ideas this is so simple.

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    But someone came up with a similar idea 90 odd years ago.
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  • S2central.net
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    • Jul 2003
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    #2
    I think its NOT so simple... though its an admirable concept. Problems are carrying all that water (to drive the steam stroke), stopping it from freezing in the winter and the safety aspects to be overcome.
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    • diesel des
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      • Feb 2004
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      #3
      That and it might be more simple/efficient to inject the water into the exhaust of a normal engine and use the steem to drive a turbine to recoupe some of the energy to the crank through a special gearbox. BMW are looking at that i read. Scania did something like this on a lorry about 10-20 years ago. Called it compounding.

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      • Error404
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        • Mar 2007
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        #4
        Originally posted by S2central.net
        I think its NOT so simple... though its an admirable concept. Problems are carrying all that water (to drive the steam stroke), stopping it from freezing in the winter and the safety aspects to be overcome.
        come on, compared to developing hydrogen fuel cells these are not big engineering challenges Paul

        From other bits i've read the inventor recons it uses approx the same amounts of fuel and water, so two smaller tanks instead of one big one? I may be being nieve but it seems pretty straight forward..... if an old engineer can modify a basic engine to work like this in his shed..........
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        • S2central.net
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          #5
          Thats the problem - an idea from this old engineer in his shed is one thing - now its clever alright... BUt turning that into something mainstream is a LONG journey.

          Whens the last time you saw a steam train BTW ?
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          • Error404
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            • Mar 2007
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            #6
            Haha
            Agreed, there is clearly some major hurdle or two or somer car manufacturers would certainly have developed this (probably Honda )

            I find it intriguing as it seems a credible concept and on the face of it not insurmountable. I guess engine durability would be the major issue, and no doubt high costs.
            You probably need some exotic materials to stop corrosion, a warm up period and a dry-off period etc etc etc.

            I saw a steam train in Sunday actually it was a miniature railway one though
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            • fzr phil
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              • Sep 2006
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              #7
              'old engineer in his shed'

              did you read that guys resume!
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              • Keeper of The Kitten
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                • Dec 2003
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                #8
                Originally posted by S2central.net
                Whens the last time you saw a steam train BTW ?
                Today ...they've just built a brand new one at Darlington according to the news. Apparently it'll be in service next year (and no it isn't April 1st, it's August 1st)

                At Diesel Des ....I'm pretty sure that compounding didn't use steam, just the exhaust gases, and it used a reduction gearbox to feed power back into the drivetrain?
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                • Sonic
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                  #9
                  Interesting idea - how long until we are buying water at £1.40/barrel?
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                  • Keeper of The Kitten
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                    • Dec 2003
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                    #10
                    Distilled water is being mooted to avoid deposits being an issue (Crower is using rainwater for the minimal contamination it affords) ....this guy has impressive credentials, and he's an old hot rodder that many people will recognize the name of (and apparently his firm is still offering Ti conrods to an F1 team!)
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