FIA Ferrari International Assistance

[Wolfgang]

hi,

Raikkonen P14
Hamilton P15

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YEAH! It´s going to be nice tomorrow!!

[BRY]

Good driving at Monza so far.

[Wolfgang]

Would you agree with me that Massa should have been penalised for running Sutil into the pit lane wall at Valencia? Remember that several GP2 drivers were penalised for this by the same stewards! Of course you would and so did the stewards....they fined him €10,000 rather than hurting his points score with a drive through

Would you agree with me that Kimi should have been penalised for leaving his box before being released and running over his cheif mechanic - fracturing his toe?

Also a little bit different that things.

Felipe had the green traffic light means he couldn´t have known that another car is coming from the rear. This is the mistake which leads to following situation. The team or the person behind the traffic-light is the person who made the mistake not Felipe. Also he didn´t push Sutil in the wall. Massa gave up in this situation and sutil passed Massa in this situation. Means there is for me no advantage for Felipe, in no way. A punishment for the team would be the right way to avoid such things in the future but i´m very sure about the fact that Ferrari doesn´t care about such punishments in any way.

The other situation with Kimi in the box is only a mistake from Kimi, no doubt about it. BUT he caused a team-intern damage and the hurt mechanic must be penatly enough for Kimi. Also there is definetely no advantage for Kimi instead of a big disadvantage because the pit stop was round about 14sec.....

Thus i can´t agree with you in your way.

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PS: have you heard the other formula one drivers about the situation in Spa? D.Coulthard, Massa (not very representative, i agree with you), Rosberg, Alonso, Vettel, etc? ALL of these persons said that the decision is correct because Lewis had a massive advantage in this situation, AND he would have never had only a chance to overtake Kimi if he drove the chicane correctly...

[Rusty]

...the 41,000 year ice age cycle

That's a really long ride, sounds like a challenge...

[HPmuirt]

This is a global conspiracy to rival the Kenedy assassination, moon landings and Global Warming!

Don't get me started on global warming or the fact that the planet has CO2 cycles all on its own, unless the industrial revolution is to blame for the 41,000 year ice age cycle as well

Oh, and Kimi should be penalised for being th most boring c**t ever!

Cheers n

Si

[Rusty]

This is a global conspiracy to rival the Kennedy assassination, moon landings and global warming!



Oh, and Kimi should be penalised for being th most boring c**t ever!

[HPmuirt]

What do you want to say with that???????

Nothing aggressive or sinister matey. I was asking you to re-read was because it is incredible just how corrupt the FIA seems - if you dig a little - it is scary

My informations about the happening in Spa are different to yours.

I´ve read this: The Stewards of the meeting around Max Mosley and Charlie Whiting decided to punish Hamilton with a 25 sec. penalty after the race because of having an advantage in the bus stop chicane.

Our information would certainly seem to be different, since in the official FIA statement and report that I read (pictured below) was only signed by the 3 stewards, as it is supposed to be. No mention was made of Charlie, Mosley or his dog (Donnelly)

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These rules applie to all drivers also for Mister Lewis Hamilton.

You can agree with me there, right?

Agreed It is just a shame that penalties do not seem to apply to all drivers

Would you agree with me that Massa should have been penalised for running Sutil into the pit lane wall at Valencia? Remember that several GP2 drivers were penalised for this by the same stewards! Of course you would and so did the stewards....they fined him €10,000 rather than hurting his points score with a drive through

Would you agree with me that Kimi should have been penalised for leaving his box before being released and running over his cheif mechanic - fracturing his toe?

but you should be careful with such statements you can´t proove.

Every thing I said is information in the public domain - you just need to know where to look. Why don't you Google Sovereign Strategy and see who their board of directors are? Then look at who their client list is and who has made formal indorcements of the company - the answer to that one is of course Mosley and Bernie

Cheers n

Si

[Wolfgang]

@Wolfgang: Please read, think about and then re-read the following:

What do you want to say with that???????

My informations about the happening in Spa are different to yours.

I´ve read this: The Stewards of the meeting around Max Mosley and Charlie Whiting decided to punish Hamilton with a 25 sec. penalty after the race because of having an advantage in the bus stop chicane.

No matter about whose informations are right or whatever happened concerning this decision of the stewards in Spa, Hamilton definetely raced against the conclusions of the drivers meeting. And this is the main problem. These rules applie to all drivers also for Mister Lewis Hamilton.

You can agree with me there, right?

It was Alan Donnelly who pushed the stewards to punish Hamilton at the French GP

French GP? What was in Magny Cours?

I can understand that you are in a rage because of the person who is, as it seems, a ferrari paid person, but you should be careful with such statements you can´t proove.

[rs2jay]

Hamilton is a racing driver Wolfgang, they dont know what the word wait means!

The way i see it is this. When Lewis was forced off the track he was along side Kimi. So if he hadn't been pushed off at the very least he would have been right on Kimi's gearbox down the straight. Where did he end up when he yielded? As soon as its back to how it was before the advantage was gained then thats it, racing is back on right from the first second. None of this wait untill a few corners later!

Plus Charlie Whiting the race director - the man whos decision it is unless the stewards decide to overrule him - confirmed on the radio to Maclaren that the yield by Hamilton was OK. No one should criticise Hamilton for continuing to race having been told he has acceptably given back the place. He gets paid to race after all - and thats what we all want to see.

[G60Rallye]

Hamilton is a racing driver Wolfgang, they dont know what the word wait means!

The way i see it is this. When Lewis was forced off the track he was along side Kimi. So if he hadn't been pushed off at the very least he would have been right on Kimi's gearbox down the straight. Where did he end up when he yielded? As soon as its back to how it was before the advantage was gained then thats it, racing is back on right from the first second. None of this wait untill a few corners later!

[HPmuirt]

PS: A little bit strange concerning these FIA desicions is the fact that most of the Stewards are Britains. ( Mosley, and all the other guys)

@Wolfgang: Please read, think about and then re-read the following: -

1. The three race stewards were Nicholas Deschaux, Surinder Thatthi and Yves Bacquelaine....none are British or Italian - This is not a nationality issue (it is a corruption issue). However, none are permanent stewards just FIA members who like to be flown around the world on expenses.

2. Mosley and the 'other guys' to whom you refer are not stewards, they are the FIA board of mis-directors. Bernie is also British, but he is well known to like mixing it up to keep it interesting.

3. When the last permanent steward (Tony Scott-Andrews) retired, Alan Donnelly was appointed by Mosley to act as an 'administrator' of the stewards.

4. Alan Donnelly is also the official representative of FIA President Max Mosley at every Grands prix.

5. The role of the administrator to the stewards is descibed by the FIA as 'mainly concerned with making sure that the process is carried out efficiently and within a reasonable timeframe'. His mandate does not include being part of the stewards decision making process.

6. The only person to interview Hamilton after the race at Spa and before the penalty was awarded was .......... Alan Donnelly The 3 stewards stated that they had no questions for Hamilton.

7. It was Alan Donnelly who pushed the stewards to punish Hamilton at the French GP.

8. Alan Donnelly is also the Executive Chairman of Sovereign Strategy, who work for, amongst others.... FIA, Formula One Management Ltd and Ferrari. They now deny still working for Ferrari but the FIA has (due to pressure about this case) just confirmed that Sovereign Strategy still work for Ferrari, although they state that this is only for the road cars

Also....

9. It was recommended last year to the FIA board that Surinder Thatthi should not be chosen again as a steward. It is believed that he was considered imcompetant.

Now tell me that the FIA is not a corrupt organisation run by a bunch of corrupt sexual deviants who make politicians seem straight and pure

Cheers n

Si

[Audi Parts Guru]

PS: A little bit strange concerning these FIA desicions is the fact that most of the Stewards are Britains. ( Mosley, and all the other guys (the names i can´t remember) )

Perhaps some statements, interviews etc of Ron Dennis.......

wolfgang

I think you'll find that most of the stewards are not British, although Molesly and Ecclestone are British, and the sooner they both get out of Formula 1 the better

[Wolfgang]

difficult to say something about that, because it´s a different situation.

first of all schumacher was in front and defending his position, schumacher hadn´t had space to go the corner in a normal way, pedro de la rosa used all of the space.

But i agree with you Schumacher had an advantage with the shorter way, like hamilton did.

But we all know the most successful F1 race-driver very well, in this situation he couldn´t give up..

PS: A little bit strange concerning these FIA desicions is the fact that most of the Stewards are Britains. ( Mosley, and all the other guys (the names i can´t remember) )

Perhaps some statements, interviews etc of Ron Dennis.......

wolfgang

[Skull]

hey guys,

some things above are definitely true we don´t need to talk about that.

BUT the thing is that in every drivers meeting exactly this point is talked about.

The conclusion in every drivers-meeting is that if somebody goes a shorter way, like hamilton did in spa, the driver isn´t allowed to overtake in or on the way to the next corner.

means in this case hamiltons first "legal" possibility to overtake raikkonen would have been the straight to the Eau Rouge Corner.

In my opinion hamilton wasn´t very clever in that way, he was obvouisly 1-2 seconds a lap faster than raikkonen means he would have had so many more possibilities to overtake the finnish guy.

Especially in this case you can see the lack of experience because of his age and the small number of races he did.

Mark Webber, Eye-Brow-Man Alonso and many more would have been much more clever in this situation.

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I´m waiting for Sebastian Vettel to get a good car. In this case he is definetely going to be the first choice after Nico Rosberg, Hamilton and Kovalainen. Can´t wait for the fights between Kov, Rai, Vet, Alo, Ros and don´t forget the two BMW guys...

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wolfgang

maybe what you said is true, but why this rule does not apply to Ferrari drivers?

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=-5UnPeyzcHM

how much did the shoe maker gain here?

[MidnightBlueS2]

Harsh, poignant and not a small bit hilarious