Any VAG 1.8 20v Experts on here ?

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  • Jonnybravo
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Aug 2008
    • 2051
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Any VAG 1.8 20v Experts on here ?

    I've been doing some work on a mates Seat Ibiza Cupra and one of the jobs was to replace the dual mass with a rigid flywheel and new clutch.

    We got the clutch kit from JKM, its basically a Audi flywheel and a VR6 cluth kit from Sachs.

    Anyway I fitted the setup yesterday and when I ran the car up there was a metal on metal sound coming from the clutch/flywheel area, I suspected it was the backing plate the engines run between the engine and box which meant taking the whole bloody lot off again.

    I spoke with JKM this afternoon and they hadn't ever had to remove that plate or had this problem before so off came the box and flywheel and sure enough the plate had been touching. I removed the plate and re fitted the flywheel and noticed the flywheel was still very close to the block so I measured it, 20 thou clearance seemed a tad close.

    Anyway to cut a long story short I then pulled on the flywheel and there was a large knock as the lot moved, now I'm not sure what the normal crank float is on these engines but this is atleast 2mm if not more which without even looking it up I know isn't right.

    Whats odd is I would of expected something like that to of caused some sort of problem, looking back on it you can see where the old flywheel had been touching the main crank seal housing at some point so this must of been going on for a while and maybe explained the poor clutch engagement.

    What sort of centre main bearing arrangement do these engines run ? is it common for them to go like this ? the engine runs perfect and recently made 198hp/250lbft so its not like it was showing and sort of faults, the clutch pedal only operated on the floor and there was a bit of noise when you pressed the clutch which was the reason to swap from the dual mass to a better setup.

    Either way looks like its engine out tomorrow swiftly followed by the crank but I'm still a bit stunned this has been working so well like this with the fault !
  • Error404
    Super Moderator
    • Mar 2007
    • 19789
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    If you need some help / advice, get in touch with Greg at Total VAG in Leighton Buzzard, he knows these cars inside out

    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
    Indigo ABY coupé
    Imola B6 S4 Avant

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    • Flat on my back
      S2Forum Fiend
      • Jan 2007
      • 2449
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Originally posted by Jonnybravo

      Anyway to cut a long story short I then pulled on the flywheel and there was a large knock as the lot moved, now I'm not sure what the normal crank float is on these engines but this is atleast 2mm if not more which without even looking it up I know isn't right.
      Should be in the region of a few thou...

      Did they forget to fit the thrust bearings? on one side?

      Carlos.

      On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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      • Jonnybravo
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Aug 2008
        • 2051
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Maximum end float is 0.3mm, I think were slightly over that if you can visually see it and feel it lol

        I'm having the engine out in a mo, they run 270 degree thrust washers so I'll be interested to see whats left of those !

        I'll get some pics and post them up

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        • Jonnybravo
          S2Forum Fiend
          • Aug 2008
          • 2051
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Originally posted by Error404
          If you need some help / advice, get in touch with Greg at Total VAG in Leighton Buzzard, he knows these cars inside out

          http://www.total-vag.co.uk/
          Thanks for the link, I think my mate will be using Jabba for the parts as he uses them normally so I don't want to waste your mates time if I'm not spending any money with him

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          • speeding-g60
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Aug 2008
            • 1186
            • Country: United States

            #6
            the 2 pc center main with integrated thrusts are junk. this is my experience, and i was only at 1.1mm endplay.... i switched to 6 pc center mains with divorced thrust, and fine for that. ]

            notice the grooves worn into the main cap and crank. it did not get bad enough to trash the block, but it would have if left much longer.

            one bad thing for you (happened here as well) is that side loading the pistons, i broke all four Wiseco wrist pins on a big dyno pull....

            here is pix of what happened to me.

            Timing belt side





            Flywheel side





            and views... its thin, but did not come into the bearing race AT ALL. can i run it with new bearings? (begs please)





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            • JP
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Mar 2007
              • 1858
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Thrust play on a 1.8t 20v should be approx 3-4thou. If you replace the bearings on a 1.8t please do not use the one piece bearings as shown in the pictures above. They have less bearing support on the thrust over the seperate 2 piece ones and result in eating into the crank shaft.
              UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

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              • audiman
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                • Jul 2003
                • 4827
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                ^^^what He Said
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                • Jonnybravo
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 2051
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Thanks for the advice, I ended up fitting a replacement engine in the end which has sorted the problem

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