so now i feel a little gutted, after meeting tonks4x4 and a few others last sunday, i realised how much i was looking forward to s2 ownership, the potential for these's cars is amazing and over the last couple of weeks some real nice examples have appeared (the kingfisher blue and grey ones really tick the boxes for me)oh well, i may list the car every couple of months just to see if there's any interest, but for now i will just enjoy what i have i suppose :mischeif:. now the problem is trying to find a nice cheap 7 seater for the wife, but again an s2 forum member has been good enough to provide some tips and help, thanks al wyn.