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  • jogi730
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Jun 2004
    • 2335
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    MAF problem

    I have read posts regarding problems arising aroung the MAF. WHilst trawling the net trying to find an air filter solution for my own car, I came across an Electronically Adjusted Air filter by AEM which may help cure some of the problems. Hope this helps someone and is of use

    Electronically Tuned Intake (ETI) Systems
    The Next Generation of Air Intake Technology
    Once again AEM is raising engineering standards with an all new series of innovative air intake systems. With a revolutionary ETI module and fully integrated design, we have eliminated the need to detune or stage an intake tube diameter as it crosses the MAF sensor. The sensor is electronically adjusted to read proper air density instead of using physical tube designs intended to "trick" the MAF reading. The result is bigger horsepower and torque gains.

    TECH TALK:
    Most modern fuel injected cars use a Mass Air flow (MAF) sensor to determine the air flow rate into the engine and meter fuel according to input from the sensor. The relation between the voltage output of the sensor and mass air flow is adversely affected by a shift to a larger diameter intake tube because the airspeed is reduced. This causes the MAF sensor to "under report" air flow causing a lean condition or triggering a Check Engine Light. To accommodate MAF sensor reporting, many intake systems reduce the diameter of the intake tube near the MAF sensor to stock or near stock size because of the need to maintain the correct air speed for the sensor to report the correct flow rate to the ECU.

    AEM's ETI Intake Systems use an alternative design approach that allows the intake tube to maintain its diameter, resulting in more air flow into the throttle body. The ETI Intake System allows AEM to tune an engine for even more power by avoiding any tube down-sizing that will reduce overall airflow and horsepower. Instead, the ETI electronically communicates with the MAF sensor to ensure an accurate amount of fuel is being delivered even though the tube is larger in size than the stock system. This means the vehicle maintains the calibration as intended by the factory while enjoying the benefits of our custom designed aftermarket intake system.



    http://www.aemintakes.com/air_intakes.htm
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  • 5cylinderman
    S2Forum Addict
    • Oct 2011
    • 367
    • Country: Ireland

    #2
    I don't put up much hope for this technology. Airflow is airflow. This sounds like those magnetic thinks you put on your fuel lines to "rearrange" the molecules blah blah blah. Don't spend any money on this stuff. It sounds too good to be true.

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    • 5cylinderman
      S2Forum Addict
      • Oct 2011
      • 367
      • Country: Ireland

      #3
      For Sale: A goose that lays golden eggs...........

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      • Rusty
        Super Moderator
        • Jun 2004
        • 18953
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        I'm trying to understand exactly what they're selling, it looks like a box that scales the sensor signal for a larger diameter tube; the idea being that the MAF is no longer a smaller diameter and doesn't cause errors generated by the wrong sized MAF housing. I don't thing it would be suitable for our cars with their old tech MAF and we already have prj, who is a purveyor of different MAFs and software to suit.
        Cheers'en, AndyC
        1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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        • driftin jo
          S2Forum Fiend
          • Sep 2007
          • 2222
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          “the ETI electronically communicates with the MAF sensor to ensure an accurate amount of fuel is being delivered”

          yer right

          haha

          It's just a voltage divider

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          • jogi730
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Jun 2004
            • 2335
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            ok.... I guess the info is not so useful then?
            Audi 90 quattro (Typ 85)
            20v turbo conversion

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            • Smiley
              S2Forum Addict
              • Jun 2005
              • 329
              • Country: Germany

              #7
              Maybe we could use a cheaper MAF along with an ETI to replace the stock MAF once it's defective - without changes to the maps.
              But i suspect the measured values are not linear, a simple voltage divider will not help.. (It would be toooo easy..)
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              • prj
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #8
                I have a full freely programmable 12 bit MAF translator which fits in a tiny box.
                I have the first prototype fully working, and it is a matter of time until I put this into production.

                I promise you there will be a solution for the expensive broken MAF problem Q2 next year at the latest.
                And I mean a proper solution, custom calibrated for the MAF of our cars, not some magic box.
                http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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                • LHD_Kid
                  S2Forum Possessed
                  • May 2006
                  • 3696
                  • Home: England Current: Belgium

                  #9
                  Chris, you don't have a MAF on Pectel though, right?
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