How to contest speeding points.....

[als2]

Hi guys, looking for a lil help to try and remove some points from my lincense. Im based and got my points in Scotland.

Ok, so driving through ind est, dual carriage way, 3' wide central reservation, pavement set back 5' from road as are lamp posts, barriers all round roundabots, no houses etc, only one road leading to sports centre.

So i gets pinched for doing 40 and told its a 30 as the area i left was a 30 so i shld have known it stayed a 30 even tho i pointed out the above.

Ok fair cop, but theve just stuck up the speed limit through the ind est, freakin 40 isnt it!!!!! Feel a lil hard done by!!

So whats the thoughts? Have i got a leg to stand on gettting these removed?

Any advise would be greatly appreciated as always

Al

[BrianSmith_S2]

Hi guys, looking for a lil help to try and remove some points from my lincense. Im based and got my points in Scotland.

Ok, so driving through ind est, dual carriage way, 3' wide central reservation, pavement set back 5' from road as are lamp posts, barriers all round roundabots, no houses etc, only one road leading to sports centre.

So i gets pinched for doing 40 and told its a 30 as the area i left was a 30 so i shld have known it stayed a 30 even tho i pointed out the above.

Ok fair cop, but theve just stuck up the speed limit through the ind est, freakin 40 isnt it!!!!! Feel a lil hard done by!!

So whats the thoughts? Have i got a leg to stand on gettting these removed?

Any advise would be greatly appreciated as always

Al

Take a photo of the stretch of road and send that to them with a letter to contest it. Failing that wont they offer to send you on a driving course instead of taking the points like some get down in England?

[als2]

So who to actually send it to??? Dvla? Local court? Police? And yup I'd take a course any day!! But don't think they do them up here.

[bluequattro]

Stuck up as in posted signs or raised limit since?
Surely they'll go on limit imposed when you were caught?

[als2]

There were no signs. I took my signs from surrounding, dual carriage way, permenat central reservation etc etc and now they have erected signage at 40mph. It's a fairly new stretch of road.

[Error404]

sounds like you were booked wrongly anyway, unless there are 30 signs your were right to be doing 40. Unfortunately I think if you have already pleaded guilty then the deal is done.

[als2]

I was always under the impression if no signs then take cue from surroundings. So when cop says its 30 it's a kicker but fair dos. Then they stick up 40 signs! Wonder if I could find out from council if it was planned to b a 40??

[Error404]

dual carriageway and street lights is 40 unless posted otherwise

[als2]

See that was my thots!

[nip]

[Speed Limit Markings
This is a brief guide to the law and practice of speed limit signs and markings in the UK

Any road with regular street lighting has a default speed limit of 30 mph unless signs indicate otherwise. The entry to a 30 mph zone must be marked by a "30" sign on both sides of the road, but no repeater signs are permitted within the zone (on the grounds that they might be confusing if some roads had them and others didn't). "30" roundels on the road surface are however permitted, with a special dispensation.

In some circumstances, where a side road has a lower limit than the main road, only one speed limit sign for the lower limit is needed, on the left-hand side of the road, and no signs at all are needed for the higher limit if there are repeater signs on the main road indicating the limit within 100 yards of the junction.

Where there is no street lighting, the default limit is 60 mph for single-carriageway and 70 mph for dual carriageway roads. This is referred to as the "National Speed Limit" (NSL), and entry to these zones is marked by the familiar "derestriction" sign with a diagonal black stripe on a white background. Repeater signs are not normally used but are not specifically prohibited.

Any other limit requires roadside repeater signs at regular intervals prescribed by law. The mere fact that a road runs through an urban or rural area makes no difference to the speed limit - it is the presence or absence of street lighting. Thus a lit dual carriageway in a rural environment would have a 30 limit unless signs indicate otherwise, and the speed limit through the snooty Cheshire village of Prestbury, which still refuses to have street lighting, would be 60 in the absence of 30 signs and repeaters.

An increasing number of lit NSL roads (for example the A556 between the M6 Junction 19 and Lostock near Northwich), are now being given "60" or "70" repeaters rather than NSL ones. Presumably the thinking is that this makes the speed limit clearer, as there is evidence that the NSL is not properly understood by drivers, but it must add another layer of confusion as they will wonder what is the difference between a single-carriageway 60 road and an NSL one.

20 mph repeaters are not required within a signed 20 mph zone if the limit is in effect self-enforcing through the use of traffic calming measures. However, if there is little or no traffic calming, 20 mph repeaters are required for the limit to be enforceable.

All roads with a motorway designation, e.g. M6 or A627(M), have a default speed limit of 70 mph unless signs indicate otherwise - for example, the A57(M) Mancunian Way in Manchester has a 50 mph limit as it has some very tight junctions. This 70 limit includes the handful of single-carriageway roads with motorway status such as the A6144(M) off the M60 near Sale.

Speed limit roundels painted on the road surface may be used to supplement a system of speed limit repeaters, but on their own do not constitute a legal system of speed limit marking. For a limit to be enforceable, the proper number of repeaters must also be present.

An exception to this is that the 40 mph limits covering large areas of Dartmoor and the New Forest have a specific derogation from the need to have repeaters because of environmental considerations, and are therefore marked solely by carriageway roundels.

All UK speed limits must be in multiples of 10 mph, as there is no requirement for vehicle speedometers to show increments of less than 10 mph (although in practice most have 5 mph increments). Thus the option does not exist to have 35 mph or 45 mph limits as are commonly found in the USA. It is an irritating feature of many speedometers that the numbers shown are 20, 40, 60, 80 etc. when the two most important speed limits to most drivers are 30 mph and 70 mph.

The following pages on the Department for Transport website shed some light on the official position on speed limit markings:

Speed Limit Signs - particularly useful on the recommendations for the spacing of repeater signs

20 mph Speed Limits and Zones - sheds light on the complex and confusing regulations that allow extensive 20 mph zones to be created without any repeater signs within the zone

Speed Camera Signing - this is very useful on the latest recommendations for signing of speed cameras, but bear in mind that these are only guidelines, and the absence of such signs would not invalidate a prosecution








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[GazzaG60]

being somebody who has done speed awareness I think you may be in a 30 zone. lit no signs regardless of is 30. unlit is national speed

zones are used instead of repeaters now due to cost of signs and pikeys pinching them and weighing them in.

[zefsider]

I got done years ago for exactly same thing...came out of side road onto dual carriageway with a central reservation, accelerated up to 40 and got pulled by a camera van ...went to a local Solicitor who said that if I was coming from a 30 zone onto any road I should assume that the next road is 30 ''unless signposted otherwise'' not the other way round . That dual carriageway used to be a 40 zone too until the local council made the whole town a 30mph max zone ...the old rules about what constitutes a 40 zone etc don't apply anymore ( lamp-posts/central resvn. etc ) etc

BTW i got pulled in Scotland in the Borders on M6 for no insurance by m-Way cops...I DID have insurance but cos it was a week long temporary policy ( to deliver a car ) it doesnt necessarily show up on the Motor Insurers database...lucky it was a Sat morning so I could provide cops with my brokers details so they could contact them ...if it had been a hour later no-one would have been in their office and the copper said they would have impounded my car and left me at the next Services ( I didn't know it for me to prove I was insured ? Any one know otherwise ? )

[Cottis]

Lamp posts, damned lamp posts! It's harsh but you just have to put up with it I reckon. Very petty of the law to pull you for it really, although I dont know the road. 3pts mean you can still enjoy boost (for a while longer)