Kimi, what were you thinking?

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  • UrS4boy
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    • Feb 2006
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    #1

    Kimi, what were you thinking?

    Just watched the F1 Russia (recorded while I was in the south of France). Very disappointed with Kimi. Not sure what the Fk he was thinking. Takes both Finns out in one bonehead move and gifts the constructors trophy to Mercedes (via the 30 second penalty). Very disappointing. Finns must be really disappointed.

    Who owns the corner Kimi? You sure didn't.

    Mercedes’ Lewis Hamilton eased to victory in Sochi on Sunday, his pole-sitting team mate Nico Rosberg having retired from the lead with throttle problems on lap 7. Ferrari’s Sebastian Vettel took the runner-up spot to move into second in the title standings, with Force India’s Sergio Perez earning third in dramatic fashion after a final-lap clash involving Williams’ Valtteri Bottas and Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen.


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  • Rusty
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    • Jun 2004
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    #2
    Yes, a bit of brain fade there, robbing Bottas and Williams of valuable midfield points.
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    • Error404
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      • Mar 2007
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      #3
      It is always satisfying to see a Ferrari in pieces though
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      • Rusty
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        • Jun 2004
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        #4
        but not a Williams, now Crashtor Maldonado has moved on...
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        • Ian Simmonds
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          • Jun 2005
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          #5
          Everybody loves a trier...
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          • Cordoba16vt
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            • Apr 2014
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            #6
            My opinion - I have done a fair bit of go karting, so a bit of open head track experience ... I will divide the accident between the two drivers as both had a share in making it happen .

            Bottas - find the onboard of Kimi prior to the corner and you will see that Bottas goes way too much to the left EXPECTING Kimi to be closer and follow his line . You do that when you want to slow down your opponent as much as possible for the next straight - when you have advantage - more powerful engine , or a disadvantage - worn out tyres, so you are weak at cornering.... After Bottas realised Kimi is not following and is going for it - tried to close the door, but too late and should have left space for two cars and do his thing - try and drag race Kimi on the straight

            Kimi - Seeing Bottas way too much to the right , opening the corner nice and sweet for an attack - and coming at a greater speed - he went for it. Anyone would have done it . You dont race to follow drivers in front of you , you race to be in front of them .

            Racing incident - Kimi went for it , Bottas did not leave space for two cars .

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            • UrS4boy
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              • Feb 2006
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              #7
              Originally posted by Cordoba16vt
              Kimi - Seeing Bottas way too much to the right , opening the corner nice and sweet for an attack - and coming at a greater speed - he went for it. Anyone would have done it . You dont race to follow drivers in front of you , you race to be in front of them . Racing incident - Kimi went for it , Bottas did not leave space for two cars .
              I think you meant way too much to the LEFT.

              I've watched two videos now and I agree, it does look from Kimi's angle that the door was open. On the other hand, in the first video, which shows the Bottas camera, it looks good ("normal" line) too. Bottomline: Racing incident and I now think Kimi should not have been penalized. (10 sec + 20 sec pit lane = 30 sec).

              1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFgZtx6lEQc

              2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CPolzdXhDs

              Thanks for the eye-opener.

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              • Cordoba16vt
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                • Apr 2014
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                #8
                Originally posted by UrS4boy
                I think you meant way too much to the LEFT.


                1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFgZtx6lEQc

                2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CPolzdXhDs

                Thanks for the eye-opener.


                left , sorry. Clip one - at the begining - see how Perres left space for two cars in the corner, just in case ? Yes Bottas was closer to Perres than Kimi to Bottas, but check Perres was on a defensive race line as much as possible !

                Clip two shows how much faster in the corners was Kimi and why he went for it , he was able to carry much more speed everywhere apart from the straights .

                ...

                Racing accident caused by the leading driver .

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                • andy10v
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                  #9
                  I thought the attacking driver had to get at least half way along side the defending driver to have the right to the apex?

                  Attacker at fault



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                  • sidrick
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                    • Jan 2011
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                    #10
                    Absolutely stunned that anyone could blame Bottas for that.

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                    • Cordoba16vt
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by sidrick
                      Absolutely stunned that anyone could blame Bottas for that.
                      They are almost wheel to wheel at the apex . Check the videos well

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                      • sidrick
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                        • Jan 2011
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                        #12
                        Yes, because Kimi has come steaming in at a ridiculous angle. He'd have gone right to the other side of the track coming out of the corner. There's nowhere Bottas could be that wouldn't have resulted in KR hitting him.

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                        • UrS4boy
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by sidrick
                          Yes, because Kimi has come steaming in at a ridiculous angle. He'd have gone right to the other side of the track coming out of the corner. There's nowhere Bottas could be that wouldn't have resulted in KR hitting him.
                          This is my thought on the lines that were evolving at that point. Even if Kimi had snuck through Bottas, he (Kimi) would have gone wide and Bottas would have just cut inside and regained the position. (IMO)

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                          • Cordoba16vt
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                            #14
                            Kimi Raikkonen says he would attempt the same move on Valtteri Bottas again despite being penalised for the last-lap tangle between the pair in the Russian Grand Prix.


                            That explains it all

                            As I said, anyone would have gone and tried. Bottas move to the left was asking for it.

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                            • UrS4boy
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Cordoba16vt
                              http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/10/2...-bottas-again/ That explains it all As I said, anyone would have gone and tried. Bottas move to the left was asking for it.
                              After looking at some those car videos, it was *almost* like Bottas suckered Kimi into making the move and then shut the door on him. Bottas's tires must have been sh*t if he went that far to the left before turning in.



                              Reference:

                              1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFgZtx6lEQc

                              2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CPolzdXhDs
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