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[Keeper of The Kitten]

Sorry, not trying to offend Scottish members of anything - least of all this forum! Don't assume that I haven't got good friends from Scotland, or that I don't feel grateful for the help and advice I receive from Scottish members - I do.

But I have to disagree - the principle of devolution is for home rule, and that was the intention all along. If not, Scotland would have an assembly, as per Wales. Scotland has plenty of rules that are different from those of the remainder of mainland UK, and is entirely justified in having it's own parliament for a lot of reasons.

Please do not try the race card on me - I work for a company that has, over the years, employed people from various nations (including all of the UK nations, China, Japan, Germany, Spain, Italy, US, Canada, Republic of Ireland, and a host of others too numerous to continue to list). These people have all been my friends and many continue to be so (others have merely moved on).

As for devolution for England - no! I didn't want devolution of anything. I thought this was meant to be a UNITED Kingdom?

The nationality of the MP isn't being questioned, what was that meant to mean? Tony Blair isn't English either but that doesn't mean I don't accept his position in Westminster. The same goes for all politicians who were elected by the present system and the people of the electorate. At one time, one of my local candidates was from NZ and I didn't object to that, why should I? I think some people have taken my comments about the consitutional system to be racist, which is rather tiresome and entirely wrong.

Anyway I would rather debate how we can get petrol to be cheaper, not how to change the way a nation, or group of nations, is governed. That's what this thread was started for and I think it's probably time to get back on topic...

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[Azman]

Guys Guys Guys,

Scottish, no harm done. Seems to be getting a bit heated here though.

Look we all have the problem of the prices going up and the cars we have like to drink a little bit.

As said earlier if a strike happens it will help us out. Currently we are paying 61.1% of our 97.5p (near me) to Mr Blair and Brown.

Unfortunatley unless major action is taken this is just going to stay like this. Unfortunatley there is also another way to look at it and I'm not backing the goverment in any way okay!!!!!

Less tax on fuel = Bankrupt government.
Less tax on fuel = worse roads.
Less tax on fuel = more tax else where for reason no 1.

I was thinking and talking with the lads last night at work. (fortunatley where I work has to be supplied with fuel or someone gets it in the neck and hald the country probably wouldn't eat) Those reasons are what we came up with as to why the tax is so high.

It is now at a stage where if it was to be reduced massively then reason 1, 2 and 3 would all happen and screw us all in some way or another.

Okay, I get F****ng annoyed at the fact that every payday I open my slip and see 25% (approx) gone before I get any where. Then fill the car up £150 per month of which nearly 2/3 goes to the government. In fact I think it was figured out that of every pound that you earn (thats take home) more than 50% goes back to the C**** anyway.

Any views on this are welcome but we pay through the nose anyway, Lets all just export our cars to America, find a nice quiet state with lots of area, gang together and buy it of Bush and only allow Audi's to drive on the roads. AAAAHHHHHHHHHH Heaven!!!!!!!!!

[jon_91_s2]

Guys Guys Guys,

Scottish, no harm done. Seems to be getting a bit heated here though.

Look we all have the problem of the prices going up and the cars we have like to drink a little bit.

As said earlier if a strike happens it will help us out. Currently we are paying 61.1% of our 97.5p (near me) to Mr Blair and Brown.

Unfortunatley unless major action is taken this is just going to stay like this. Unfortunatley there is also another way to look at it and I'm not backing the goverment in any way okay!!!!!

Less tax on fuel = Bankrupt government.
Less tax on fuel = worse roads.


Less tax on fuel = more tax else where for reason no 1.

I was thinking and talking with the lads last night at work. (fortunatley where I work has to be supplied with fuel or someone gets it in the neck and hald the country probably wouldn't eat) Those reasons are what we came up with as to why the tax is so high.

It is now at a stage where if it was to be reduced massively then reason 1, 2 and 3 would all happen and screw us all in some way or another.

Okay, I get F****ng annoyed at the fact that every payday I open my slip and see 25% (approx) gone before I get any where. Then fill the car up £150 per month of which nearly 2/3 goes to the government. In fact I think it was figured out that of every pound that you earn (thats take home) more than 50% goes back to the C**** anyway.

Any views on this are welcome but we pay through the nose anyway, Lets all just export our cars to America, find a nice quiet state with lots of area, gang together and buy it of Bush and only allow Audi's to drive on the roads. AAAAHHHHHHHHHH Heaven!!!!!!!!!

We would need to build some roads with some corners mind.

[alg]

Because the Scottish Parliament governs Scotland, whereas Westminster governs the United Kingdom, which when I last looked, consisted of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Therefore to have only English MPs in Westminster would be much, much worse than a mix of English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish.

You are right though that we wouldn't let any Englishman into the Scottish parliament, just as you wouldn't let a Scotsman into an English one. But the fact of the matter is that Westminster isn't English. Its British, and so as a Scot and a Britain, I reserve the right to vote for a Scot to enter Westminster to govern the Untied Kingdom.

If you are so concerned about different nationalities governing your country then fight for devolution in England. It would mean the end for Great Britain, but that would be Englands loss.

Now as a yorkshireman in Edinburgh that is sense. Just to add fuel (pun intended) the Scottish parliment could not run a p*** up in a brewery. Let alone a devolved economy.

[Keeper of The Kitten]

The biggest irony of all this is that I didn't, still don't - and never will - have a problem with Scots, Irish et al being in Westminster - I never said that.

What does it say about a Scot if he won't have an English MP in Scotland? If I said the polar opposite of that (which I didn't...!!!!!) I would expect people to jump down my throat. I sincerely hope that wasn't meant to sound the way it did.

To reiterate, if a parliament is devolved it is intentionally independent. Therefore UK parliament should not affect Scotland and vice versa. I don't agree with that, I agree with Sidspud that we should all be Britons.

No, what I am making a point about is the way things are decided and what good (if anything) is derived from decisions made in any parliament. It is well known that North of the border student tuition fees are waived and healthcare for elderly is free. That's not pie in the sky, it is fact. Now, if such a decision is made in the Scottish parliament, it is entirely fair to assume that this displays independence from the rules affecting the rest of the UK. If that is true, then there is devolved government and my original statement about constituencies stands. However, if the same ruling is coming from Westminster, and for all financial matters the buck stops with Mr Brown, then it can be alluded that there is an uneven handling of matters that affect all areas of the UK - which cannot be fair? It's one or the other.

I'm sure it was unintentional but Sidspud wrote "Untied Kingdom" which sort of sums things up. I always felt that this government was hell-bent on splitting things up (divide and rule?) ...that's a greater irony still, considering the preference for stronger EU links by the same government - either they want more unification or less, but they don't seem to know which?!!

Getting back to the point - I didn't want devolution, and in fact I know a fair number of Scottish people who didn't either (but who am I to stand in the way of it?)

I would prefer if we were still United and not Untied - and that goes for this forum as well as for the nation...

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[SR71]

Viva la flat tax revolution!