Trick your S2 around a broken MAF???

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  • s2_bo
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Oct 2005
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    #1

    Trick your S2 around a broken MAF???

    I read somewhere that someone managed to "Work around" a broken Audi A4 MAF and was wondering if this would also be possible on a S2 MAF....

    Here is what i found

    I got tired of driving around in limp mode while I wait for my new MAF to show up, so I made a poor man's "MAF Sensor" out of a wire and a couple of crimp-on terminal connectors. This applies to a '99 New Beetle TDI. Others should be similar.

    Basically, you disconnect the MAF harness, and then jump the 5.0v power supply from the ECU directly to the wire that leads BACK to the ECU. This simulates a constant "maximum airflow" condition. You'll get a Check Engine Light, and a bit more smoke than you're used to. But you'll also have boost and power, which beats crawling around like you've peed yourself on your vacation!

    On the A4 MAF, there are 4 wires. One is a ground. One is a 12v power supply to heat the Hot Film sensor. One is a 5v supply that passes through the MAF, which acts as a variable resistor to ground out part of that signal depending on the temperature of the hot film, which will vary with airflow. The highest numbered wire (familiar to Epsilonians ) is the "return signal." This is the really important one...the one that the ECU looks at to determine airflow.

    The 12v supply simply heats the sensor. The more airflow through the sensor, the more it's cooled and the lower its resistance. The regulated 5v supply from the ECU flows through the MAF, and part of it returns via the "highest numbered" wire. At low airflow, there is more resistance through the sensor and the return signal is therefore less of the original 5v finds its way back to the ECU. At high airflows as much as the full 5v can make it back to the ECU.

    I used a multitester to identify the various wires and their functions. The 12v and 5v wires are only "hot" when the key is in the "on", or "run" position. MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE THE 12V WIRE!!!! Unless fried ECU sounds tasty to you, of course.

    On my car the 5v supply wire is the 2nd highest numbered wire. I simply jumped it to the "signal return" wire, and presto! Instant "maximum airflow"!!!

    Just use a few inches of wire with a very small spade connector at each end. If your MAF goes haywire out on the road, just unplug it (with the engine off and the key out) and jump the #4 and #5 terminals on the harness. You should be able to drive around quite happily like this until you can replace your MAF.

    You will have a Check Engine Light. Another odd side-effect is that your boost won't zoom up to a "peak", and then drop back down to a "sustained" level. Instead, it'll climb to the "sustained" level a bit more slowly than you're used to seeing and then just stay there. You'll also see a little more smoke than usual, and I would imagine your fuel economy would be down a bit. The general confusion to the ECU will also result in a bit less power, but it's certainly a vast improvement over Dead MAF Mode. Enjoy your trip, and fix it when you get the chance!

    Carry the jumper in your tool kit. And I would strongly suggest that you use a multitester to identify the terminals BEFORE you have a problem out in the boojum trees somewhere! The highest numbered wire is the signal return wire. (You can faintly see the numbers molded in the plastic plug in the 2nd picture.) You jump it to the 5v supply wire...the one that supplies a constant 5 volts DC between the wire and the engine block when the key is "on." It should be the one right next to the signal return wire.

    DO NOT JUMP TO THE 12 VOLT WIRE!!!!
    Well obviously the MAFs are not the same but i am gonna do some more research and try to find out if this would be possible on a S2.


    Cheers..
    Bo
    91 S2 coupé - RIP
    98 S8 - Luxury barge
  • kwlw
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Sep 2004
    • 1025
    • Country: Lithuania

    #2
    Originally posted by s2_bo
    I read somewhere that someone managed to "Work around" a broken Audi A4 MAF and was wondering if this would also be possible on a S2 MAF....
    Well obviously the MAFs are not the same but i am gonna do some more research and try to find out if this would be possible on a S2.
    Bo
    I have spent some quality time with bad MAF, car without MAF, trying different MAF's, calibrating, measuring etc. And that "work around" - sounds like complete NO GO solution for S2 from that expierence.

    Unless somebody, who really knows things like Mihnea or Paul - will say otherwise. Motronic relying only on MAP sensor and working properly - sounds like impossible. Better solution is to disconnect engine temperature sensor from the back of the engine, and make "limp home mode".

    Sau
    200 20vt 88' 3b, human carrier
    CQ typ85 with AAN inside, see project blog at http://kwlw.blogspot.com

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    • Rusty
      Super Moderator
      • Jun 2004
      • 18953
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      That's really not a great idea. All he's done by simulating a maximum airflow criteria is make the ECU inject loads of fuel, thus making the engine run horrendously rich and doing it no good whatsoever. No wonder the check engine light came on! I would not attempt this on an S2 or any other car that I cared about under any circumstances.
      Cheers'en, AndyC
      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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      • kwlw
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Sep 2004
        • 1025
        • Country: Lithuania

        #4
        Originally posted by Andy_Casey
        That's really not a great idea. All he's done by simulating a maximum airflow criteria is make the ECU inject loads of fuel, thus making the engine run horrendously rich and doing it no good whatsoever. No wonder the check engine light came on! I would not attempt this on an S2 or any other car that I cared about under any circumstances.
        Also don't know about A4 ECU, but S2 for sure wil give error code:
        2324 Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor (G 70) Signal too low Signal too high Engine Control Module (ECM) defective

        Same error with MAF plug disconnected , so why mess with the wires ?

        Sau
        200 20vt 88' 3b, human carrier
        CQ typ85 with AAN inside, see project blog at http://kwlw.blogspot.com

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        • s2_bo
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Oct 2005
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          #5
          Yeh makes sense.

          I was only looking for a very very short term solution until my replacement arrives as driving in Limp mode SUCKS

          Cheers...

          Bo/./
          91 S2 coupé - RIP
          98 S8 - Luxury barge

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #6
            Limp home mode will look after your engine though... betcha don't want to risk engine damage out of impatience !

            Paul
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            • s2_bo
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Oct 2005
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              #7
              Too True ..

              Bo
              91 S2 coupé - RIP
              98 S8 - Luxury barge

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