What are the strengths of Audi I5? Why not I6?

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  • dan_b
    S2Forum Possessed
    • Sep 2003
    • 3670
    • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

    #16
    It'll be two things - cost, and emmissions.

    Firstly, on cost, the VW Group produces an enormous number of 4cyl engines. Therefore costs to produce 4cyl engines and their components are lower. They can then design and produce variants on 4cyls for different applications, rather than designing myriad different whole engines, and can then engineer the different platforms to accept the same engines. Producing a completely differently packaged engine for a small volume of sportier cars doesn't make all that much economic sense - continuing to develop a quirky 5cyl engine for just one model type would have been very costly. Even the high tech V8 in the RS4 is a variant of an existing V8 which is itself a development of an engine that has been around for a looong time. (Although of course that doesn't explain some of the bizarre engine types that VW has come up with of late, like the W layouts, the V5 etc, so even the logical Germans can go crazy sometimes!)

    Secondly on emissions, all car manufactuers are being forced to reduce their emissions. The only real way to do that is to reduce the size of the engine. Hence the now appearing rise of smaller sized, but forced induction motors, although that does somewhat go against Audi's apparent drive away from turbos in its high performance S and RS range?!
    Ex S2 owner, now running around in an A4 Avant quattro...

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    • Keeper of The Kitten
      S2Forum Fiend
      • Dec 2003
      • 2317
      • Country: England

      #17
      One of the ways that manufacturers reduce emissions is by using a very long sixth gear in a six speed manual gearbox. This started with several larger US engines/cars and has migrated to other high performance machines. It's a bit of a cheat really as the car is unlikely to be driven in sixth most of the time, but if it meets the criteria for the new car to pass regulations, that's what the manufacturers do!

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      Martin Cutting

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      It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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      • dan_b
        S2Forum Possessed
        • Sep 2003
        • 3670
        • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

        #18
        Good point on the longer top gear (didn't they used to call that "Overdrive" in the old days?), although in my new 3.0V6 I find it is driveable around town in 6th gear at anything above 20mph, which is amazing - there's no way I could have done that in the S2! I do try and drive it a bit more fuel-conciously than I used to, but actually in town the larger displacement vs the S2 seems to negate any benefits of higher gearing and more modern engine design! It's seeminly much better on the move though esp. at m-way crusing speeds.
        Ex S2 owner, now running around in an A4 Avant quattro...

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        • quattroTurbo
          S2Forum Enthusiast
          • Nov 2004
          • 178

          #19
          Although VAG have an assortment of unusual engines, they are all loosely based on each other. The W engine is a development (x2) of the later VR6 engine; the V5 is again based on the VR6; the IL4 is half the V8; the V6 is three quarters the V8..etc.. You can probably narrow the VAG engine groups down to five modular types.

          Wouldn't it be nice to have a new 2.5L I5 (single) turbo FSI with alloy block, 300+bhp and 350lb/ft. Just add another cylinder to the new S3 engine

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          • dan_b
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Sep 2003
            • 3670
            • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

            #20
            Good point. I suppose you could wonder where the V10 has come from, and say "why don't they just chop half the vee off and we'll have our beloved I5 back?"!

            Is the Bug Veyron engine then conceptually "just" essentially 4x lots of the 4cyl 2L turbo engines stuck together?
            Ex S2 owner, now running around in an A4 Avant quattro...

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