Weird crankshaft in my AAN engine

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  • AANton
    S2Forum Hobbyist
    • Jan 2023
    • 20
    • Country: Croatia

    #1

    Weird crankshaft in my AAN engine

    Hello everyone! Some urgent help needed.

    Friend and I have disassembled my AAN engine from my 1994. UrS4 and we ran into a weird problem.

    Crankshaft has number 034 105 101, with imprinted letter D on one of the counterweights.

    We measured pistons and rods and they are AAN stock, block is AAN, cylinder head is AAN, everything is alright, except that the piston is 6 mm below TDC - it is not aligned with the block surface.

    Anyone has any idea what is happening?

    We’ve never seen something like this.

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  • Tractor Dave
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Dec 2017
    • 6006
    • Country: Wales

    #2
    Maybe AEL crank ?
    Nothelle S2 Avant
    Black Ur project
    Silver Rs2 Project gone
    Ocianic Ur project gone
    S2 Coupe project gone
    Urs6 plus project gone

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    • AANton
      S2Forum Hobbyist
      • Jan 2023
      • 20
      • Country: Croatia

      #3
      But AEL has longer stroke, and this is shorter stroke, as seen in photo.

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      • Tractor Dave
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Dec 2017
        • 6006
        • Country: Wales

        #4
        Very strange. Maybe someone ground the crank and put standard shells in
        Nothelle S2 Avant
        Black Ur project
        Silver Rs2 Project gone
        Ocianic Ur project gone
        S2 Coupe project gone
        Urs6 plus project gone

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        • AANton
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          • Jan 2023
          • 20
          • Country: Croatia

          #5
          What do you mean “ground the crank”?

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          • Tractor Dave
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Dec 2017
            • 6006
            • Country: Wales

            #6
            Originally posted by AANton
            What do you mean “ground the crank”?
            If the crank is very worn a machine shop can grind the bearing surfaces down to make good then you fit oversize shells to make up for the material that's been removed. Seems unlikely it would make the gap you have though. We are talking tiny amounts removed. Are you sure rods and block are AAN? You haven't got a tall block?
            Last edited by Tractor Dave; 28 January 2023, 08:47. Reason: Add info.
            Nothelle S2 Avant
            Black Ur project
            Silver Rs2 Project gone
            Ocianic Ur project gone
            S2 Coupe project gone
            Urs6 plus project gone

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            • K Simmonds
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Dec 2007
              • 7633
              • Country: Wales

              #7
              I'm guessing someone has used the crank out of another five pot with a shorter throw on it, something like an MC engine or even an old Carb motor.

              The part number should tell you what it's from.

              A very odd discovery!
              1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
              1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
              1994 MTM RS2.
              1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
              2000 B5 TQS.

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              • AANton
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                • Jan 2023
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                • Country: Croatia

                #8
                Originally posted by K Simmonds
                I'm guessing someone has used the crank out of another five pot with a shorter throw on it, something like an MC engine or even an old Carb motor.

                The part number should tell you what it's from.

                A very odd discovery!
                I don’t think so. At least it doesn’t seem like that to me.

                And the crank is forged if you look closely. Not sure that old carbs had forged cranks?

                Not sure about MC though.

                I posted the part number, but it doesn’t help a lot.

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                • AANton
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                  • Jan 2023
                  • 20
                  • Country: Croatia

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tractor Dave

                  If the crank is very worn a machine shop can grind the bearing surfaces down to make good then you fit oversize shells to make up for the material that's been removed. Seems unlikely it would make the gap you have though. We are talking tiny amounts removed. Are you sure rods and block are AAN? You haven't got a tall block?
                  Yes, but they would grind like 0.25 mm, not 6 mm(!!!).

                  Yes, 100 % sure about rods and like, 99.9 % sure about the block. Dipstick and everything is AAN.

                  I’ve posted block pictures in the attachment.
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                  • K Simmonds
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 7633
                    • Country: Wales

                    #10
                    Originally posted by AANton

                    I don’t think so. At least it doesn’t seem like that to me.

                    And the crank is forged if you look closely. Not sure that old carbs had forged cranks?

                    Not sure about MC though.

                    I posted the part number, but it doesn’t help a lot.
                    I'm not 100% sure but I think all the Audi five cylinder cranks are forged even on the old carb engines.

                    I'll have a Google with that part No a bit later when I have some spare time, I might be able to find something.

                    Your block certainly look's to be stock AAN so if your sure the rods and pistons are also stock then the crank must be from another engine, the 2.1 10V motors are a shorter stroke so perhaps it's from one of them out of something like a C2/3 model. 6mm is quite a big difference so I doubt it's a stock AAN crank that's been machined.

                    Obviously all your rod's are straight? As I've seen engines that have been driven through water and hydrolocked with all the rods bent, but even then it's normally only between 1-2mm.
                    1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
                    1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
                    1994 MTM RS2.
                    1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
                    2000 B5 TQS.

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                    • rxl
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • May 2012
                      • 1913
                      • Country: Germany

                      #11
                      2.0 liter engine crank

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                      • K Simmonds
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 7633
                        • Country: Wales

                        #12
                        Originally posted by rxl
                        2.0 liter engine crank
                        From an NM? That would make sense.
                        1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
                        1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
                        1994 MTM RS2.
                        1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
                        2000 B5 TQS.

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                        • AANton
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                          • Jan 2023
                          • 20
                          • Country: Croatia

                          #13
                          Originally posted by rxl
                          2.0 liter engine crank
                          Are you sure? Is that why the piston is not aligned with block surface?

                          I mean, does this affect anything except the volume?

                          Can I rebuild it freely as is?

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                          • K Simmonds
                            S2Forum Zealot
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 7633
                            • Country: Wales

                            #14
                            A 2.0 NM crank would explain the shorter stroke...

                            It must seriously lower the compression being 6mm off deck height so unless you want a much lower compression ratio for some reason then I'd want the correct crankshaft.

                            7A, RR, 3B, ABY, AAN and ADU all use the same crank.
                            1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
                            1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
                            1994 MTM RS2.
                            1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
                            2000 B5 TQS.

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                            • rxl
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • May 2012
                              • 1913
                              • Country: Germany

                              #15
                              did you run this engine or buy it used ?

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