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  • Rusty
    Super Moderator
    • Jun 2004
    • 18953
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Track driving is bad for your health...

    Right, I feel vaguely sorry for the old girl as this week she's done 10 laps of the Nuerburgring and then 2 sessions at Combe. Poor old thing. Engine, gearox, transmission, all faultless and purring away.

    HOWEVER, and there's always a caveat with these posts, it has tried on 3 occasions now to cause me some fairly massive problems.

    On my fourth lap of the 'ring the front passenger wheel came loose, despite checking the wheel bolts with a torque wrench that morning on several occasions. This was proper scary as the car was making a god-awful noise and massive vibrations. I thought it was going to e going home on an ADAC recovery truck, if I made it off the 'rng at all! Got it back to the hotel, left it for an hour, jacked it up to find that there was 5mm of play in the front passenger's wheel. no. 1

    Then, on the way home the steering flelt vague and wobbly so on my return I jacked it up to find that both the front hub to strut bolts on BOTH sides had loosened to give over a degree of movement. no. 2.

    Before Combe I went over the whole car with a torque wrench and breaker bar and checked everything. Nothing else was loose thankfully.

    So, off I go to Combe, had a great session with mr. Muirt, mr. Avant and mr. Matt, car was fast, well behaved and sharp. So finished, let it cool down and then about 2 hours later decided to go for another lap. Torqued the wheel bolts before both sessions after my 'ring experience and off I went on my own. Great session again, worked on smooth driving and lines and had great fun. Came off track with a worrying knocking/rattling noise which I assmed was a suspension component giving up under the stran of track work.

    On the drive home the rattle/clunk turned into a strange boinging noise on the driver's side strut then the brakes started binding. I completed the 10 mile journey on engine braking and the handbrake assuming a top mount had completely disintegrated...

    So I jacked up the driver's side wheel to find that the calliper was loose! no. 3. Then on close inspection I discovered that the carrier was held on with one bolt and had only stayed on because it had rubbed on the inside of the rim, hence the grinding! no. 4 to 6.

    So as you can all imagine it's been a week of extreme excitement, adrenaline and one which has scared the living shyte out of me. The car has been fine for well over 10k of road driving in it's current state but 2 track sessions seem to have anihalated any confidence I had in it. I have done all the work myself and have made sure that everytihng that should be FFFT was, anything that should be torqued was, this obviously wasn't enough! The brakes have now been Loctited, nightmare when I take it apart but at least it'll hold up to the punishment, new hub to strut bolts are in the garage, new nylocks for anthing that's not been replaced.

    So, in summary, double check everything before and after ay track work, it may be worth your while!
    Last edited by Rusty; 14 October 2007, 09:01.
    Cheers'en, AndyC
    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss
  • john881000
    S2Forum Maniac
    • May 2004
    • 598
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    oops

    Hiya mate



    lucky you where to be ok

    not usual Audi standards that

    but pleased you got home safely



    cheers
    john

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    • Acidburn
      S2Forum Obsessed
      • Jun 2007
      • 13459
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Not good, i'd heard about the ring wheel incident from david but did not know about the other one's so you was lucky. Glad it has not killed you yet tho.

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      • Rusty
        Super Moderator
        • Jun 2004
        • 18953
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Originally posted by Acidburn
        Glad it has not killed you yet tho.
        Me too
        Cheers'en, AndyC
        1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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        • dan_b
          S2Forum Possessed
          • Sep 2003
          • 3670
          • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

          #5
          Nightmare stories here - just shows you, track days do punish the car! Did you inspect the threads on all these bolts that have been working loose - just wondered if any had been over-tightened at some point and stretched the threads? Did you replace with new bolts throughout?
          Ex S2 owner, now running around in an A4 Avant quattro...

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          • Jas11n
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Jan 2004
            • 5067
            • Country: England

            #6
            Do the bolts have the correct seat? Most aftermarket wheels require taper seat bolts rather than Audi's radius seats.

            Jas..
            2001 Avus Silver B5 RS4.
            2004 A4 Avant 1.8T quattro Sport-LE.
            1995 S2 Coupe - sold (sniff)

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            • faaaaast
              S2Forum Enthusiast
              • Mar 2007
              • 124
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Just shows the difference in something designed from the ground up for the track as opposed to a road car I guess... Respect for F1 cars, etc!

              You probably already know, but just in case: hub to strut bolts are stretch bolts normally on these. Must be replaced each time and done up to torque+angle setting. Only done them on V6 so don't know the exact settings for the S2. Maybe someone with a manual can enlighten?

              Speaking of threadlock, anyone else seen the new locktite packs where the threadlock is like a pritt-stick instead of runny goo? Makes it sooo much easier/neater to apply and still comes in three 'flavours' of strength. I got a promo pack when the locktite lady came round to the garage...

              James
              '91 S2 Coupe
              '92 A80Q 2.8 V6
              '92 A80 2.8 V6

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              • mcandmar
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Apr 2004
                • 5118
                • Country: Ireland

                #8
                Sounds a bit scary

                Good point on the wheel nuts, i know my car dosent have the original nuts as they had a different taper on them. Also a thought if you have a flatspot or a wheel badly out of balance the vibration will shake things apart and wear suspension mounts. I'm assuming you did a lot of high speed motoring in the last week

                Originally posted by faaaaast
                Speaking of threadlock, anyone else seen the new locktite packs where the threadlock is like a pritt-stick instead of runny goo?
                Been using it for a while in all my RC cars, they vibrate apart all the time! It seems to work just as well but the only catch is very fine screw threads, it tends to get cleaned off the screw on the way in so its harder to get a good coating. Should work fine for suspension parts

                Mark.
                91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
                93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
                94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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                • 4WheelDrifter
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 5773
                  • Country: Devon

                  #9
                  I think your car is protesting since you put those pimp wheels on.
                  SS

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                  • Rusty
                    Super Moderator
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 18953
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Rear suspension has just been checked, rear brakes rebuilt and new stretch bolts and nylocks fitted to the struts. Fronts are tight and will be rebuilt when the new subframe goes on (along with all new hardware, bushes, top mounts, etc. etc. etc. ).

                    All of the 3 things really scared the hell out of me, the 'ring warps your acceptance of danger (and speed and blind corners) so I should really be in a corner sobbing gently, or joining a religious group to say thanks to the man upstairs for looking after me but instead I'm methodiaclly rebuilding everything, utilising the lessons I've learnt and planning my trip to Donnington in December!

                    'ell be right.
                    Cheers'en, AndyC
                    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                    • Rusty
                      Super Moderator
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 18953
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
                      I think your car is protesting since you put those pimp wheels on.
                      4WheelJealousy, that's your new name round my way
                      Cheers'en, AndyC
                      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                      • HPmuirt
                        S2Forum April Fool
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 3014
                        • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                        #12
                        Tron and I wondered what you were doing behind us when we were waiting to go out on the track. I told her you were wondering around with a torque wrench, but she said "Nooo, he wouldn't be doing that, we're about to go out now....... (turns around....not easy in a Coupe when wearing a full face helmet) ....****** hell, he is!"

                        Cheers n

                        Si
                        95 ABY S2 Coupe - Ragusa Green
                        Subtle mods here and there


                        2011 A5 3.0 TDi - Lava Grey
                        With every option available (except a towball)

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                        • Azman
                          S2Forum Possessed
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 3205
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          I have used locktite ont eh caliper bolts just to be sure after losing one before.... Might be an idea to get your hands on some new wheel bolts just to be ont eh safe side,,
                          Dark Grey Avant
                          RS2 FARB
                          Powerflex Front wishbone bushes
                          Alloy Subframe Bushes

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                          • Rusty
                            Super Moderator
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 18953
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Originally posted by HPmuirt
                            Tron and I wondered what you were doing behind us when we were waiting to go out on the track. I told her you were wondering around with a torque wrench, but she said "Nooo, he wouldn't be doing that, we're about to go out now....... (turns around....not easy in a Coupe when wearing a full face helmet) ....****** hell, he is!"

                            Cheers n

                            Si
                            I have a reputation to uphold, not sure what it is but I'm happy enough with it . I'm sure Tron loved it and was very impressed with my attitude to safety on track... good thing she never saw my driving, bad thing that you were easily a match for the Alpinweiss / my driving, shame we weren't closer, would have been good to have a proper drive rather than try to catch you and make very little impression on the 300m between us.

                            TBF, when a wheel tries to run away from your car and whilst barrelling into a blind, crested corner at 85 (and that's the slowest you've been going, give or take, for 10 miles) you start to check your wheel bolts a bit more often! The extra heat from track work does loosen the bolts unless they're mega tight and corroded in. Mine's in bits so often that it's well lubricated so it falls apart, usually when I want it to but more recently, when it wants to.

                            The brakes have felt a little spongy for a while... now they're sharp . The problem manifested itself as a noise identical to a top mount clunk when braking. Just a warning to anyone with a similar problem, check your brake bolts too! Should be fine now, will replace all bolts when I rebuild the front end before Donnington in December. It should love it!
                            Cheers'en, AndyC
                            1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                            • HPmuirt
                              S2Forum April Fool
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 3014
                              • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Andy_Casey
                              bad thing that you were easily a match for the Alpinweiss / my driving, shame we weren't closer, would have been good to have a proper drive rather than try to catch you and make very little impression on the 300m between us.
                              Well that sounds like a challenge....:mischeif:

                              I'm sorry for pulling 300m on you, it was very rude I know, but you had me running scared having more power, better suspension and no passenger

                              Also, I was having such a laugh making Ben's better half do fabulous ragdoll impressions in the passenger seat Next track day, I am installing a video camera and pointing it at the passenger seat

                              Cheers n

                              Si
                              95 ABY S2 Coupe - Ragusa Green
                              Subtle mods here and there


                              2011 A5 3.0 TDi - Lava Grey
                              With every option available (except a towball)

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