s6 plus 2.5tdi project

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  • raymor
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Sep 2003
    • 597
    • Country: Scotland

    #31
    Originally posted by aronmatic2
    nothing big thing. i changed the fuel pump, but not important.
    the lines are same.
    its much easyer as i thinked.
    Hmmm... all the lines are new on mine.

    Were there any big problems - wiring etc?
    1997 A6 (C4)Q TDi http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=291269 - Sold
    1987 CQ85RS
    1994 S2 Avant- Gone
    1991 V8 -Gone, but lives on in the TDi and CQ

    Fintray Hillclimb - 33.20s
    Doune Hillclimb - 55.02s
    Forrestburn Hillclimb - 52.61

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    • goodall
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Jul 2008
      • 810
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #32
      this is interesting and i guess fair enough if you want luxury and you need do big miles
      and i guess performance wise once your in boost be fairly quick
      also it a s6 avant so i guess super perfomance isnt what you want just something quickish, s2 for the out and out performance

      but then just seems wrong to do it to a plus since wasn't very many of them, was the motor blown?

      im split on this.
      i guess what will decide it is, what the note the exhaust like, diesely or subtle with a reminiscence of the UR 10v

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      • istoo
        S2Forum Addict
        • Mar 2006
        • 408
        • Country: Scotland

        #33
        personally rather torn on the idea given the significance/rarity of the S6plus, the first every Quattro GMBH car, pre-dates the RS4 and RS6. Its a real piece of history, not forgetting this had a near identical power to weight ratio as the RS2, so it wasn't slow to start with.

        s6 plus exhaust note is rather sweet!

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        • Jamo
          Retired OG Mod
          • Mar 2004
          • 21750
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #34
          Well it's Arons car he can do with it what he likes to be fair.

          Great project, loved to know more details on the turbo etc and how it all bolted together.

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          • istoo
            S2Forum Addict
            • Mar 2006
            • 408
            • Country: Scotland

            #35
            One mans poison... Not disputing that, hence why i said personally just wondered what happened to the old lump?
            I came close to buying one last year so i am more than familiar with them. Contemplated RHD conversion, LPG, then decided against it on cost and taking away from what it was. But Arons capable no question there, gives him an almost unique starting base, if the engine was shot then fair enough. Personally i would have kept it as is, but there is a fair thread of original vs modified cars here, sure we can all co-exist.

            @Aron: Not sure if you know, if its of use www.s6plus.de, for other parts breakdown.

            Watch with intrigue, especially if the old lump is still running and available.

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            • spink
              S2Forum Freak
              • Jul 2003
              • 4382
              • Country: England

              #36
              Aron,have you used the original AEL ecu?or something else?

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              • ralleyquattro
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Oct 2007
                • 536
                • Home: Poland Current: Canada

                #37
                That's a great project. I am in a middle of installing a 2,5tdi 5 pot into my 4000 quattro (90 quattro typ 85 for you guys).

                Can you share what was done to the engine other than the turbo to get 250hp?
                What injectors, any mods to the pump, what software?

                Thank you in advance!
                Regards
                Martin
                www.quattro.ca
                B2: 82 Urq into Sport quattro, 82 4000 2-door, 83 80q 2 Door, 83 Ur-q CDN, 85 Ur-q Euro with 3B, 86 4kq, 59,000km
                B3/B4: 91 CQ, 93 90q 2.5TDI, 94 80q avant 2.5tdi, 94 S2 Avant

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                • aronmatic2
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 2129
                  • Country: Hungary

                  #38
                  Originally posted by raymor
                  Hmmm... all the lines are new on mine.

                  Were there any big problems - wiring etc?
                  everything was easy. i worked on the engine and the interior. my electrical guy made all wireing. i just see, he pluged some cables, nothing big deals. he spent only oned day for wireing, included uninstall the original wires. now all things working, like gauges, cruise control.


                  Originally posted by istoo
                  personally rather torn on the idea given the significance/rarity of the S6plus, the first every Quattro GMBH car, pre-dates the RS4 and RS6. Its a real piece of history, not forgetting this had a near identical power to weight ratio as the RS2, so it wasn't slow to start with.

                  s6 plus exhaust note is rather sweet!
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkthAgo0s7k
                  my reasons was for this convertion this is one of my favorite cars. i go more than 100000kms every year. i think its 2 good reason.


                  Originally posted by spink
                  Aron,have you used the original AEL ecu?or something else?
                  yes.



                  Originally posted by ralleyquattro
                  That's a great project. I am in a middle of installing a 2,5tdi 5 pot into my 4000 quattro (90 quattro typ 85 for you guys).

                  Can you share what was done to the engine other than the turbo to get 250hp?
                  What injectors, any mods to the pump, what software?

                  Thank you in advance!
                  Regards
                  Martin

                  not so much. i am using kkk bv50 turbo, race diesel injection system, brand new pistons, race bearings and a good remap to 2 bar.
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                  Real carbon parts for S2 and RS2. Check Carbondesign on facebook

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                  • Rocco
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 6393
                    • Country: Spain

                    #39
                    how many hp do you have more or less with this engine working with 2.0bar'??

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                    • aronmatic2
                      S2Forum Fiend
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2129
                      • Country: Hungary

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Rocco
                      how many hp do you have more or less with this engine working with 2.0bar'??

                      230-250hp
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                      Real carbon parts for S2 and RS2. Check Carbondesign on facebook

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                      • raymor
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 597
                        • Country: Scotland

                        #41
                        Cheers Aron... I think my mind is made up
                        1997 A6 (C4)Q TDi http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=291269 - Sold
                        1987 CQ85RS
                        1994 S2 Avant- Gone
                        1991 V8 -Gone, but lives on in the TDi and CQ

                        Fintray Hillclimb - 33.20s
                        Doune Hillclimb - 55.02s
                        Forrestburn Hillclimb - 52.61

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                        • istoo
                          S2Forum Addict
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 408
                          • Country: Scotland

                          #42
                          Originally posted by aronmatic2
                          my reasons was for this convertion this is one of my favorite cars. i go more than 100000kms every year. i think its 2 good reason...
                          Well I can take some solace that you know what you have. What has happened to the original engine? i.e. did you start with a working car then transplant or was it in need of attention/ broken engine (saved)?

                          I understand the mileage, i don't do quite as much as you circa 50k miles a year between 3 cars. Can never have enough cars and options. one fast one economic seems to be the current favour. But i understand the need for combining both of those, will come back and check on this thread as its interesting... good luck.

                          Sorry, but still not convinced, in 3 years of looking I only ever found one s6+ in the UK, I know of another and thats it. A man with your talents could have had a very special S6plus.

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                          • Henkjan
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 1705
                            • Country: Netherlands

                            #43
                            Originally posted by aronmatic2
                            i like the diesel eats 7,5-8 liters/100km
                            that is on longer distances i think? is slightly better than my C5 A6 V6 2.5TDI that has a lot less horses...

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                            • ralleyquattro
                              S2Forum Maniac
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 536
                              • Home: Poland Current: Canada

                              #44
                              Originally posted by aronmatic2

                              not so much. i am using kkk bv50 turbo, race diesel injection system, brand new pistons, race bearings and a good remap to 2 bar.

                              Thank you, quick question, the race injection system, is it a special pump, what size of injectors (nozzles) are those? Larger than .216?
                              I know there is lots of chips for AAT etc. but my engine is the original 1T without MAF, know anyone who does chips for that. Box looks identical and is the 55 pin Motronic plug.

                              Thank you in advance, we don't have much in terms of I5 TDI here in Canada.
                              www.quattro.ca
                              B2: 82 Urq into Sport quattro, 82 4000 2-door, 83 80q 2 Door, 83 Ur-q CDN, 85 Ur-q Euro with 3B, 86 4kq, 59,000km
                              B3/B4: 91 CQ, 93 90q 2.5TDI, 94 80q avant 2.5tdi, 94 S2 Avant

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                              • aronmatic2
                                S2Forum Fiend
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 2129
                                • Country: Hungary

                                #45
                                Originally posted by ralleyquattro
                                Thank you, quick question, the race injection system, is it a special pump, what size of injectors (nozzles) are those? Larger than .216?
                                I know there is lots of chips for AAT etc. but my engine is the original 1T without MAF, know anyone who does chips for that. Box looks identical and is the 55 pin Motronic plug.

                                Thank you in advance, we don't have much in terms of I5 TDI here in Canada.
                                hi
                                i dont know anything about diesel fuel system and electrical.
                                sorry
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                                Real carbon parts for S2 and RS2. Check Carbondesign on facebook

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