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  • RS2000WRC
    S2Forum Hobbyist
    • Jul 2006
    • 19
    • Country: Ireland

    #1

    86 UR Quattro tidy up

    I signed up here years ago and have been lurking ever since ,
    i started stripping my quattro to repair all the rusty bits and what i thought was just an engine that would need easy things fixing, but that didnt turn out to be the case,
    looking though some of the other project threads this is a pretty boring one
    im copying and pasteing my thread from the quattro forum!

    " I Bought this about 8 years ago now, stupidly enough, when I got my first proper job at 17, not long after starting, heard about this quattro for sale and had to get it, even though I had 0 chance of driveing or insureing it! yeah I know that made lots of sense didnt it? I've been mad about quattros since I was 9 or 10 when my dad had a coupe GT run about, and me being the young silly type thought it was a quattro lol, so I bought the quattro and let my dad use it, so we could go till a few cars shows with it and stuff like that.


    Here it is about a year after I bought it







    I think it was 2006 or so when I decided to get it fixed up or at least thats what was suppose to happen , it was gettin a little scabby, rusty bits round the windows, inner wing rusting, suspected broken exhaust manifold and general ware and tare, I ordered 2 boxes of parts, water pump, belts, clutch cylinder, slave cylinder, handbrake cables, brake pads, filters and a load of other stuff I thought it needed, but when it came to gettin it done I just didnt have anywhere to do the work in the timeframe I thought it would take, so I just kept puttin it off,


    Then in 2008 I built a small garage where I could work at my cars , nothing too big, 20x 30 I think it is, with intentions of getting the quattro in and gettin it ready for on the road!
    heres a few pics from then,





    but another car came up cheap that needed tidying up, a Lancer Evo 2
    so out went the quattro



    and in came the evo


    my intenions were to strip it,fix, and spray it dandelion yellow
    like this




    stripped it




    built a spit




    got a lot done to it,



    but the more I tried to fix the more I found wrong with it, the engine wasnt great, it needed a rear quarter panel as it was just filled with filler, which was the last straw really my heart wasnt in it any more, around this time an evo 3 came up cheap so I decieded to break the evo 2, with the money I made selling the parts I bought the evo 3,

    so that brings us till now,
    the quattro needs fixing pretty badly now, I started stripping it a little before I started working at the evo 2, I took off the wings,front bumper, and apron,


    My basic plan is to-

    Take the engine out,
    Fix the rust with either panels I make myself or find the pieces off other shell's and weld those on
    Spray the engine bay and inner wheel arches myself,
    Fix a few little rusty bits in the boot and under the back seat
    Refit engine after rebuilding it
    fit all the panels and bumpers
    Get the car painted professionally!
    and fix any other problems I find lol nothing too hard right??


    heres a few pictures from yesterday
    I've removed the radiator,auxillary rad, power steering pump, and inlet

    click on them to see the big picture!











    My god are these engines tight to work at!,
    theres practically no room to do anything,
    I finally got the inlet manifold off


    To find a lovely big crack in the exhaust manifold



    It looks to have been repaired before, so ill have to have a think about what im going to do about that, though first things first I have to get it off first! ill hopefully get to tackle that tomorrow, I might just try and take the head off with the manifold still attached, which would be the easier solutuion??

    sorry if that was a bit long! "
  • RS2000WRC
    S2Forum Hobbyist
    • Jul 2006
    • 19
    • Country: Ireland

    #2
    "got the head off, and heres a few pics of the manifold and head, not looking good!

    exhaust manifold cracked, in 2 places!











    wastegate looks as if it was leaking!



    turbo which has some play in the shaft



    cracks between valves, does it look to far gone?





















    pistons have a bit of slap in them, dunno what the limit is


    and I broke this takin the head off, thatll teach me to be thick with it
    "

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    • RS2000WRC
      S2Forum Hobbyist
      • Jul 2006
      • 19
      • Country: Ireland

      #3
      "I got the engine out today,
      heres pics of the engine mount, not in great shape




      removed the pistons from the block and things aint good bearings have a lot of wear!,

      Heres a pic of the general condition of the bearings,
      Its already on a .25 oversize bearing!,






      the bearings dont seem to sit on the rod or the cap correctly!







      I know there worn, but they should at least sit into the rods correctly shouldnt they?

      i may be wrong but when the bearings and cap are fited to the rod arent the little grooves to stop them spinning suppose to be at opposte ends?
      kinda like this?



      mine were fitted like this




      overall it looks pretty knackerd.....lovely "


      thats pretty much as far as ive got, kinda still trying to decide what to do, keep it origional and try and find a good 10v or fit a 20v, ill read a few threads on here about fitting 20v engines as people on here probably have done it many times before, but any advice is more than welcome

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      • volcano rs
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Jun 2005
        • 2265
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        forget that engine fit 20 valve .its difficult to find parts for 10 valve anyway .

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        • quattrostyle
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Oct 2006
          • 6229
          • Country: Netherlands

          #5
          Originally posted by RS2000WRC
          "I got the engine out today,
          heres pics of the engine mount, not in great shape


          got that right.

          I'd say go 20V

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          • mark_s2
            Account Disabled
            • Jul 2006
            • 274
            • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

            #6
            Even if you are able to assemble the component parts needed to rebuild the 10V I doubt that it would work out any cheaper than dropping a 20V in there.

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            • PeteUr
              S2Forum Addict
              • Jan 2010
              • 331
              • Country: Togo

              #7
              Agree with the above, thats my plan anyways, fit a 20v and you won't regret it. Love the detailed pictures


              Sapphire cos running custom 2.8litre conversion,es cos rims,raven black leather interior and 500+ with the gas turned off.

              Audi s2 cooking on gas

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              • RS2000WRC
                S2Forum Hobbyist
                • Jul 2006
                • 19
                • Country: Ireland

                #8
                which do you think the better option would be? buy a full s2 car and take what I need off it OR just try and find all the bits I need seperatly?

                and uhh what bits do I actually need?

                Is there much wireing involved in fitting a 20v?

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                • 20vQC
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 684
                  • Current: Italy

                  #9
                  I wish I could built a small garage like yours mate... The UrQ looks awesome, bad luck rust is the weak point of them btw...what are you planning to do with the Evo2?
                  - Looking for a S2
                  - Lancia Dedra HF turbo i.e. (4sale)
                  - Typ89 Coupè quattro, 20Vt AAN, VEMS, K24-7000@1.3bar (scrapped )

                  sigpic

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                  • irishs2
                    S2Forum Fiend
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 2455
                    • Country: Ireland

                    #10
                    Tonks4x4 is your man to hit up for that info.

                    Eric

                    95 S2 Avant under rebuild.

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                    • mark_s2
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                      • Jul 2006
                      • 274
                      • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                      #11
                      you going to end up paying upwards of 1K for the engine, harness and ECU. If you can pick up an S2 at the right price you may well be able to offset the difference by selling the parts you do not need.

                      Don't underestimate the cost of all those clips, bolts, pipes etc that would be avaiable yo you on the s2 and that you will need to buy if you don't already have them.

                      Plus it is much easier to transfer IMHo having the 2 side by side.

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                      • irishs2
                        S2Forum Fiend
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 2455
                        • Country: Ireland

                        #12
                        Also since you would be breaking it, there would be no VRT .. woot.
                        Eric

                        95 S2 Avant under rebuild.

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                        • RS2000WRC
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                          • Jul 2006
                          • 19
                          • Country: Ireland

                          #13
                          Originally posted by 20vQC
                          I wish I could built a small garage like yours mate... The UrQ looks awesome, bad luck rust is the weak point of them btw...what are you planning to do with the Evo2?
                          yeah the garage is handy!, it used to be an open shed my granda had then i built an extention onto it, and put a floor and new roof on it!, and doors and windows, best thing ive ever done!, yeah theres a lotta rust, but ill get it all cut out and new bits back in and itll be good as new! oh i broke the evo 2 for spares!

                          Originally posted by irishs2
                          Tonks4x4 is your man to hit up for that info.

                          http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39925
                          ill drop him a pm! , lol who needs vrt


                          Originally posted by mark_s2
                          you going to end up paying upwards of 1K for the engine, harness and ECU. If you can pick up an S2 at the right price you may well be able to offset the difference by selling the parts you do not need.

                          Don't underestimate the cost of all those clips, bolts, pipes etc that would be avaiable yo you on the s2 and that you will need to buy if you don't already have them.

                          Plus it is much easier to transfer IMHo having the 2 side by side.
                          yeah ill keep an eye out now for a whole car!, it would be a lot easier having both here!, i take it the best one to get is the aby one??

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                          • tommyboy
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                            • Sep 2009
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                            • Home: United Kingdom Current: Scotland

                            #14
                            Good luck with the rebuild. im going threw something quite similar with my 83 wr, there's a thread on here of it.

                            im keeping the 10 valve for a few reason's originality, "THE SOUND" beats a 20 valve hand's down. witch engine bit's do you need.

                            there's pete reeve at quattro corner, there's private seller's who are doing there own 20 valve transplant's, best of luck with it mate

                            i got my wr for my 18th , bought a gt5 in oceanic blue when i was just 17 aswell. quattrobug caught us both early

                            Tom

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                            • RS2000WRC
                              S2Forum Hobbyist
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 19
                              • Country: Ireland

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tommyboy
                              Good luck with the rebuild. im going threw something quite similar with my 83 wr, there's a thread on here of it.

                              im keeping the 10 valve for a few reason's originality, "THE SOUND" beats a 20 valve hand's down. witch engine bit's do you need.

                              there's pete reeve at quattro corner, there's private seller's who are doing there own 20 valve transplant's, best of luck with it mate

                              i got my wr for my 18th , bought a gt5 in oceanic blue when i was just 17 aswell. quattrobug caught us both early

                              Tom
                              yeah it caught us early its the only car i wanted when i was growing up, ill miss the noise of the 10v, thats one of the reasons i like them so much, but id far rather it driveing that spend ages trying to find all the parts to fix mine, and at least ill have a little more power, i must get the money together for a cheapish s2, and put a wanted add up! hopefully ill find something!

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