Autronic Engine Management System

[Vagsport]

Has anyone had any experience running the 3B / ABY on this system? All I know is it's Australian, wondered if it's similar to Motec or Haltec?

Siena

[Mark Halligan]

Siena,

I think I remember Albert (in Poland) here on the list, saying that he was using Autronic.
Dialynx have a lot to do with Motec now (I think Motec Europe's offices are near the Dialynx place) I was talking to a bloke the other day who is having one of their SWB quattro conversions built for him, he 'reckons' he is going to get on the right side of 600 bhp out of his, using Motec.

Mark.

[Floddy]

From what I've heard, the Autronic doesn't work with DF on 5-cyl engines.

[Empo]

Autronic SM2 can handle DF on a 5cyl, IF you also buy a "ignition expander". But you will also need a 5 channel CDI ....this solution seems very expensive and complicated to me, when so many systems can handle DF on a fiver with ordinary ignition modules "from the box".

Then it depends on your money, if i could afford it...MoTeC , after that i would choose Haltech E11.

[Vagsport]

Cheers, guyz. Have sent an email to the sole UK importers of Autronic. www.madevelopments.com I know Keith @ Dialynx swears by Motec. Some claims though are a bit far fetched. A couple of years ago there was a feature in PVW mag about a Mk2 Golf GTI. With Motec, the firm that built it (not Dialynx) claimed it 'had' 180PS! A stock 1989 GTI 8V without forced induction! :eek2: :eek2: But wait for it - the cost supplied and fitted was £4,500 :eek2: I wonder how many they built at that price? :confused:

Trouble with Motec, good as it is, when used in A3 / A4 1.8T's (and S3 / S4 / RS4) you lose all the dash functions. The Motec outputs are not compatible with dash inserts from '99> (the dash inserts with surface mounted LED's) which is fine if you're building a car from a shell (Dialynx TT is prime example) but not if you have a mint, up - and - running A3 or A4. You don't want to be ripping out your dash insert!

Siena

[Floddy]

Empo: Ok, haven't heard about it in a while. The last thing i heard something was when Tote was checking it out a while ago.

[Vagsport]

I'm sure Albert mentioned that the Autronic plugged directly into the AAN wiring harness, can't find the thread. From what I gather, it plugs directly into Mitsibishi and Subaru looms, as the EMS have been customised due to demand. I guess it makes a difference in terms of price and ease of fitting. I wonder if they'll be willing to do anything for the Big Five motor, if they are able to let us know what gains are to be had?

Siena

[AnLe]

I will do this spring haltech e6h upgrade and I'm planning to use
orginal loom, 3b setup, so no df problems, just need to make 4 holes
more to the distributor and adapter for the loom.

[Vagsport]

What do you get with the Haltech kit, and what mods do you have to do to the ignition system?

Siena

[Albert]

sorry it took me so long

3b with autornic = no problem
aan, aby, adu + autoronic = some problems but is tis duable

at this moment we have Ian Hamwood fom Australia tuning some of our frends cars, he confirmed that it is possible, but he told me that Robert from company MRM in Sweden has a lot of expierence in that mater. http://www.mrm-racing.a.se/English/index1.htm

And more ... there is a guy in US who is alsow dealing with Autronic http://www.fastenough.com/ and he has a GT40R turbo in his coupe quattro ~ 600HP

[Albert]

more form Ian ....

he agrees what Empo wrote

with AAN, ABY, ADU to use Autronic You have to have SM2 + IE + 5 channel CDI (autronic makes only 4 channel CDI so You have to use one form MDS or M and 2 Ignition maybe).

[Vagsport]

Cheers for that info, Albert. Got an email from the UK importers, been quoted £1,200, but extra for the ignition expanders for ABY / AAN setups. I think it will cost as much as the Motec setup after all. Saying that though, I was quite interested to hear that Autronic was developed by the same person / firm that developed Motec. I am confused, as Mike @ Jabbasport says Haltech is also developed by the Motec mob. Sounds like they are all the same... :confused:

Siena

[mbcouple]

Yes, but autronic has autotune. Also, how much are you going to pay for a similar motec. Here in the states, a motec with similar features to the higher model autronic costs 4 times as much. I would like to run the autronic, but have an aan myself. I am currently working out an ignition solution. My next choice would be the aem ecu for the evo, then haltech. Motec is just to expensive for this appication.
Hans

[Albert]

Originally posted by mbcouple
My next choice would be the aem ecu for the evo, then haltech. Motec is just to expensive for this appication.
Hans

Actualy with AEM it is possible to run with 5 coil system. In

http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1735

Mate S. is having that system runing and Zlobo wrote that Mate S. is seling aem with a basic map. So it would be a good start.

[Vagsport]

Not sure how much the price for the SM2, for the ABY / AAN would cost. I have got some prices from Madevelopments. Of course, not all parts are needed on cars which were Motronic to begin with. Here is a list, upper prices are trade, lowers are retail.



You can use a SMC Ecu or SM2 for all Audi's with 60-2 crank trigger,on the SM2 on a 5cyl you may need to mod dizzy,you can use 5 coils on the engine you use the dizzy and add a reference to it,you will also need a CDI Ignition system,
There are a couple of Autronic dealers that specialise in Audi's so extra help is at hand for ease of set-up.

SMC
£730
£852

SMC with Autotune
£850
£995

SM2
£940
£1,191

SM2 with Autotune
£1,030
£1,295

Autotune
£91
£106

Autotune chip
£112
£130

Evo/Scooby
£870
£995
Fitted £1395

Ignition
CDI
£430
£504

Bosch ing amp
£82
£94

Bosch coil
£37
£50

Sensor
Reluctor
£41
£50

NO 1 spark pickup
£42
£52

Gear tooth sensor
£35
£45

TPS
£55
£70

Accessories

Small boost valve
£65
£80

Large boost valve
£96
£115

Idle valve
£80
£100

Tacho adaptor
£55
£75

Analyser

A Model
£710
£770

B Model
£972
£1,053

Bosch sensor
£145
£160

Uego lab
£554
£605