Tatech T6 and T32 ecus

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  • repo
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Dec 2004
    • 893
    • Country: Finland

    #1

    Tatech T6 and T32 ecus

    I have been installing Tatech engine managements from day one of the production, and have installed and tuned those with success into many kinds of rides, from stock HW aby's to drag - only 900hp racers.

    Just as a reference, Tomi Paavola uses T6pro in his 9,2sec Audi Coupe Street B drag racer.

    Tatech sells normally as an ecu only with two options, either ready-wired 2-metre flying lead loom, or an ecu with a connector kit.

    Tatech, both new T32 and it's little sister T6, are also available as plug-in for both, 3b- and all direct fire inline fivers, for additional cost of 600 eur, which includes the VR adapter card inside the ecu, and the adapter harness, to connect the general-purpose ecu to Audi Motronic harness.

    With VR adapter alone Tatech systems can be built to use OE I5 crank position sensors, which are used exactly like in OE motronic, for maximum accuracy.

    In a case of sensor fault or signal interference, the system is protected by "fuzzy" protection protocol, which doesn't allow the engine to fire a spark into a wrong cylinder, as it calculates the relation of the cylinders multiple times between power strokes.

    Using OE sensors also eases up the installation a lot, even when using a wire-in package, instead of a plug-in.

    New T32 steps into a whole new level of low-price standalones with 32bit processing, which allows a lot of new features. 32 processing can be given a lot more freedom for environment for self - studying compensations, and this way e.g. allows using of extremely large volume injectors, aggressive cam profiles in daily drivers, usable year around.

    Some more important features can be added to T32 in application-specific firmwares for extreme tuners. These can be e.g. five EGT inputs and a fuel trim for each cylinder according to EGT readings, or control for special types of variable cams.

    Even as a basic package, the T6 pro has five handy user definable digital outputs, which can be used for any of the following:

    -boost control (map)
    -nitrous control (full map)
    -idle control (closed loop settings / multiple target maps)
    -antilag valve control (value)
    -cam timing adjustment (map)
    -fan control (value)
    -warning / indicator light (value)
    -water injection (values)
    etc.

    By the experience of remapping more than ten different types of standalones, I can say Tatech graphic interface with new 3D view is one of the easiest ever, although reasonably large amount of options makes the fine tuning and compensation map smoothing a bit trickier than most of the competitors.

    Luckily, we have lots of base maps from dozens of different types of I5 setups to start with, making the options/compensations tuning a lot easier.

    Furthermore, Yours truly has been fying over Europe for past four years for mapping customer cars. So having it remapped by a pro is not a problem. And I am not too greedy, mind that.

    Pricing and more info can be found from www.tatech.fi

    In case anyone has anything to ask, I will try to answer in reasonable time. Although summer is the busiest time of the Year with the races and all.
    Last edited by repo; 23 June 2008, 15:23.
    Everything less than 2 bar is considered to be naturally aspirated
  • repo
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Dec 2004
    • 893
    • Country: Finland

    #2
    Forgot, T32 has separate memory - processor, which allows multiple programs (read: maps) in the ecu at the same time.

    This way You don't need a laptop e.g. to change from racefuel to pump fuel and back, or change from high boost to low boost settings, all You need is a switch to select maps to be used.
    Everything less than 2 bar is considered to be naturally aspirated

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    • urquattro-island
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Mar 2006
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      #3
      the

      more i read about this, the more interesting it sounds.
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      • Jamo
        Retired OG Mod
        • Mar 2004
        • 21750
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Looks a good bit of kit, price is higher than the competition considering mapping must be taken into consideration.

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        • prosty
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Jun 2005
          • 1114
          • Country: Sweden

          #5
          Mapping would cost money anyway. The advantage of the standalone that almost everyone can tune it by themselves. You need a computer, some specs of which numbers to go on (egt and afr values) and then the understanding of how to tune the car. But that is not THAT hard to do.
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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #6
            Tatech does sound like a cool option - I especially like reuse of Motronic sensors and the ability to switch on the fly between two maps is great for daily use... Making it easy to save fuel when cruising about, then no need to dig out a laptop and swap ECU programs just when you feel like having some fun over a quiet B-road...

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            • Jamo
              Retired OG Mod
              • Mar 2004
              • 21750
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              So which ECU is this?

              AUDI S4 adapter For Audi S2/S4 5-cyl engine. Including harness and ECU. Also for V6 engines on request. S4PNP 2350 Euros

              T6 or T32

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              • repo
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Dec 2004
                • 893
                • Country: Finland

                #8
                With that price it's T6.

                That price includes integral wideband and a sensor.

                One good thing with Tatech is that if You know a tuner who remaps Haltech, he can also do Tatech. Interfaces look a lot alike.
                Everything less than 2 bar is considered to be naturally aspirated

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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Got any pictures / dyno plots of cars running these ECU's?

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                  • urquattro-island
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 1915
                    • Home: Norway Current: Iceland

                    #10
                    hey

                    jamo take a look here this car is running it.. http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32505
                    japanischer industriabfall nein danke!!
                    www.rackeltrim.se Icelandic Division

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                    • Jamo
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 21750
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Looking for a more street car example

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                      • GazzaG60
                        S2Forum Freak
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 4133
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        thats a big cost differential from VEMS.

                        can you tell us why this is better than VEMS?

                        im after constructive points to let us all know what we get for teh extra cash. im not having a pop.

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                        • repo
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 893
                          • Country: Finland

                          #13
                          I am not sure, what kind on dyno plots You'd like to see.

                          I know only one otherwise bonestock I5, that runs Tatech PnP, and I am almost sure it never went to dyno.

                          Why this is better than VEMS? I am not that familiar with VEMS. Pls someone make comparison with these examples, IOW, does VEMS have these options:

                          Tatech has mappable NOS control, one of the digital outputs can be used to control NOS solenoids by throttle position, revs and MAP.

                          You can view basic information of tatech outputs and inputs via mobile phone and bluetooth link. Software is free, and requires Java from Your phone.

                          Tatech injector drivers are able to control two parallel low impedance injectors per driver, without ballasts.

                          Tatech can use all kinds of OE crank position sensors, and Audi I5 intake temp sensor.

                          Tatech internal wideband lambda trim tells You exactly how many percent Your fuel maps are off from ideal level.

                          You can have up to five exhaust temperature sensors with tatech, extra agt lines upon request.
                          Everything less than 2 bar is considered to be naturally aspirated

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                          • QuattroFever
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • May 2006
                            • 1360
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Originally posted by repo
                            You can view basic information of tatech outputs and inputs via mobile phone and bluetooth link. Software is free, and requires Java from Your phone.
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                            Ant

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                            • Bram
                              S2Forum Fiend
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 2582
                              • Country: Netherlands

                              #15
                              What is the difference between Lite, Lite+ and Pro version of the T6 ECU? Is it software related-only? What version of T6 would be good enough for a non-dragstrip car

                              I can not get this info from the website.

                              For me it's also not completely clear what the price difference is between buying a T6 incl. i5 harnass (2350 Euro) vs. a T6 ECU with new wires towards my engine and get rid of the Motronic sensors and stuff.

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