Priming, cranking and afterstart with 750cc injectors

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  • button
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • Dec 2007
    • 99
    • Country: Poland

    #1

    Priming, cranking and afterstart with 750cc injectors

    Can you look at this config:
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    I can't cope with the normal starting of the engine. Whether the engine is warm or cold I have a very long spining time and move the throttle to start the engine. Sometimes, when the engine for a long time will not catch, after start it able to show a trigger error.

    Injectors are LowZ 750cc/min@3bar with series resistors.
    Audi 90 quattro '88 4.2V8 on VEMS
    Audi S4 C4 Avant 2.2T '92 @ 2,5TDI
  • button
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    • Dec 2007
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    #2
    Does someone have any idea?
    Audi 90 quattro '88 4.2V8 on VEMS
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    • gnutz2
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Aug 2006
      • 928
      • Country: England

      #3
      Low Z injectors tend to be c r a p.

      What size resistors do you have in series, any thing more then about 2.5 ohm and they will struggle to open properly.

      Resistors need to be about 35 watt too.

      Personally i have wastad a lot of time and money using these injectors, i wouldnt even go there again.
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      • pnanassy
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        • Dec 2004
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        #4
        Controlling them is the key.What ECU do you have gnutz?DTA?
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        • button
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          • Dec 2007
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          #5
          I use VEMS.

          What size resistors do you have in series, any thing more then about 2.5 ohm and they will struggle to open properly.
          I have, in this cars ~7.8ohm 50W resistors.

          When the engine start's it running realy good, and it haven't got problem with idel rpm.
          Here is the screen form priming, cranking and afterstart setup:
          Audi 90 quattro '88 4.2V8 on VEMS
          Audi S4 C4 Avant 2.2T '92 @ 2,5TDI

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          • gnutz2
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            • Aug 2006
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            #6
            Originally posted by pnanassy
            Controlling them is the key.What ECU do you have gnutz?DTA?
            Yes DTA, i spoke to allan the technical guy at dta and he told me to use 2.5 ohm resistors.

            The engine ran ok but nothing like as good as when on seimens 630cc high z.

            I also had a really serious problem with the injectors leaking fuel into the engine when not in use. This caused misfires at best and also caused a fire.
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            • pnanassy
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              • Dec 2004
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              #7
              Yeah,DTA is not the best when Low-Z injectors come into the picture.However,more advanced ECUs control them easily.For example i got 1200cm3 on my 2.2L I5 and got a nice idle 1.00lambda.

              To the hardware issue you had,i dont think its a low or high Z related...

              There are special low Z injector driver boxes,worth a try?!

              But sure,the new tech. high Z injectors are good.Just experimenting with a 1000cm3/4bar on the stroker.Looks ok so far.

              What was the PW where you had problems?
              Peter Nanassy

              Custom Engine Management,and Electronic Fuel Injection solutions supplier , contact me for details.

              http://www.carstyling.hu/car_shower.php?id=19845
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              • button
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                • Dec 2007
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                #8
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                log from starting the engine (unsuccess)
                Audi 90 quattro '88 4.2V8 on VEMS
                Audi S4 C4 Avant 2.2T '92 @ 2,5TDI

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                • gnutz2
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by pnanassy
                  Yeah,DTA is not the best when Low-Z injectors come into the picture.However,more advanced ECUs control them easily.For example i got 1200cm3 on my 2.2L I5 and got a nice idle 1.00lambda.

                  To the hardware issue you had,i dont think its a low or high Z related...

                  There are special low Z injector driver boxes,worth a try?!

                  But sure,the new tech. high Z injectors are good.Just experimenting with a 1000cm3/4bar on the stroker.Looks ok so far.

                  What was the PW where you had problems?
                  I only ran them outboard so never had to idle the engine with them. the P/W was allways from about 5 to 10 ms.

                  Like you say maybe they are just bad for DTA.
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                  • button
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                    • Dec 2007
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                    #10
                    Maybe someone would like to share with his own settings of priming cranking & afterstart?
                    Audi 90 quattro '88 4.2V8 on VEMS
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                    • button
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                      • Dec 2007
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                      #11
                      OK. Problem solved. The problem was in the injectors. After instaling Siemens 630cc/min the engine starts up
                      Last edited by button; 2 January 2010, 09:02.
                      Audi 90 quattro '88 4.2V8 on VEMS
                      Audi S4 C4 Avant 2.2T '92 @ 2,5TDI

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                      • pnanassy
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                        • Dec 2004
                        • 287
                        • Country: Hungary

                        #12
                        what was the problem with the 750's?
                        Peter Nanassy

                        Custom Engine Management,and Electronic Fuel Injection solutions supplier , contact me for details.

                        http://www.carstyling.hu/car_shower.php?id=19845
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOVA_285Rs

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                        • Jamo
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 21750
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                          #13
                          Low resistance injectors with resistor packs, i'd say there was a driving issue

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                          • pnanassy
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                            • Dec 2004
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                            #14
                            Im running 96lbs with 4+ bar fuel pressure,and resistor pack.Car starts for the first crank.


                            Originally posted by Jamo
                            Low resistance injectors with resistor packs, i'd say there was a driving issue
                            Peter Nanassy

                            Custom Engine Management,and Electronic Fuel Injection solutions supplier , contact me for details.

                            http://www.carstyling.hu/car_shower.php?id=19845
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOVA_285Rs

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                            • Jamo
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 21750
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              Not all resistor packs are created equally, I wouldn't entertain using them

                              What's the point of having low z injectors if your have to run resistors with them?

                              That's why I bought high resistance 750cc RC Injectors

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