VEMS for my (R)S2 with GT3071

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  • A80Avant
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Sep 2005
    • 10873
    • Country: Greece

    #16
    dont worry, it shouldnt be a problem. My motronic couldnt hear knock either. Knock sensors wont save you. A good map will

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    • mastermind
      S2Forum Addict
      • Jan 2005
      • 244
      • Country: South Africa

      #17
      Originally posted by A80Avant
      dont worry, it shouldnt be a problem. My motronic couldnt hear knock either. Knock sensors wont save you. A good map will

      Ok, thats a good one...You really feel striongly about a good MAP and in motronic at WOT is does go the MAP and my car with my MAP goes very well. But I couldnt get all the issues like aircon compensation, idling and a few other issues sorted so went with 034 chip set. But it cant compare power and torque wise to my own MAP, but is far nice to drive as its sorted properly for drivability...Now i want best of both world
      The Red Baron
      (R)S2 spec, 034 GT3071
      Wagner Short Intake and Intercooler
      Whiteline, Custom Shocks with external reservoirs
      8pot calipers with A8 discs
      Vems

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      • prj
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Mar 2010
        • 6308
        • Country: Estonia

        #18
        To get VEMS to run properly will involve MUCH more work than motronic. And if you want the driveability to be good, then you will need a load-bearing dyno and then lots and lots of finetuning afterwards.

        Aftermarket ECU management is not a magic bullet.
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        • A80Avant
          S2Forum Obsessed
          • Sep 2005
          • 10873
          • Country: Greece

          #19
          i agree. i had and still am working on vems for many months. Im close to being perfect for my liking, but i can say that with vems i solved some issues i had with motronic, but gained some different with it. Hopefully with the latest update i shall solve those as well, and be happier.
          Having said that, i havent tuned the car on a dyno, and therefore im to blame for part of the issues i have with vems. Otherwise its a nice piece of kit!

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          • Billman
            S2Forum Freak
            • Nov 2004
            • 4129

            #20
            if you use "standard" items with vems like in example stock injectors or Siemens Deka injectors like most of us use then it will be not so difficult to have it running nice relative fast.
            Go Holset or Go RS4

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            • A80Avant
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Sep 2005
              • 10873
              • Country: Greece

              #21
              the problem with motronic is understanding how it works and also the purchase of equipment to be able to manipulate the maps, whereas vems has easy values to understand what you are changing and are universal.So yes, when compared to a tuner who tunes motronic, yes vems is more difficult. But if you take vems to a person who does any kind of mapping, they can tune it for you.

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              • prj
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #22
                Agree...
                And it's not because of equipment price.
                Compared to wasting months of your life sitting in IDA Pro, 300 EUR is nothing

                Since VEMS offers a plug and play variant and there are plenty of basemaps around, it is always a good option if you don't have the ability to get your stock ECU tuned or if the level of power exceeds what the stock ECU can handle.
                http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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                • Billman
                  S2Forum Freak
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 4129

                  #23
                  Originally posted by prj
                  Agree...
                  And it's not because of equipment price.
                  Compared to wasting months of your life sitting in IDA Pro, 300 EUR is nothing

                  Since VEMS offers a plug and play variant and there are plenty of basemaps around, it is always a good option if you don't have the ability to get your stock ECU tuned or if the level of power exceeds what the stock ECU can handle.
                  Would not the equivalent be a RT-Emulator??? :-)
                  Go Holset or Go RS4

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                  • prj
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 6308
                    • Country: Estonia

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Billman
                    Would not the equivalent be a RT-Emulator??? :-)
                    Equivalent of what?
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                    • Billman
                      S2Forum Freak
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 4129

                      #25
                      to a standalone in order to tune motronic.
                      Go Holset or Go RS4

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                      • prj
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 6308
                        • Country: Estonia

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Billman
                        to a standalone in order to tune motronic.
                        If you mean - how to remap motronic in realtime, then yes, you need an emulator.
                        Better two in case of M2.3.2.
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                        • blackS2
                          S2Forum Addict
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 455
                          • Country: Germany

                          #27
                          Originally posted by prj
                          If you mean - how to remap motronic in realtime, then yes, you need an emulator.
                          Better two in case of M2.3.2.

                          plus you need a tool/adaptor/converter to emulate the 87c... hard to find
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                          • prj
                            S2Forum Zealot
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 6308
                            • Country: Estonia

                            #28
                            Originally posted by blackS2
                            plus you need a tool/adaptor/converter to emulate the 87c... hard to find
                            That's why you don't find it, but make your own


                            Sorry for OT.
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                            • GazzaG60
                              S2Forum Freak
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 4133
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #29
                              my vies on WB02.

                              use it only up to about 80% throttle or 0.4 bar (spring pressure) or so.

                              yes you can use it all the time but lets put into prospective the amount of R & D on bosch me or wheatever versus vems. maybe if you go motec or anothe rvery high level ecu its not too bad.

                              theres a beauty in simplicity guys.

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                              • prj
                                S2Forum Zealot
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 6308
                                • Country: Estonia

                                #30
                                Yeah, there is a ton of logic in the newer Motronics to determine whether the lambda is going bad. It cross-references readings from many sensors. Not to mention newer ones have multiple sensors etc.

                                It is correct, that if you run closed loop all the time and your wideband sensor goes bad, and your ECU has no protection routines, your AFR will be totally wrong.
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