What happens on higher IATs?

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  • A80Avant
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Sep 2005
    • 10873
    • Country: Greece

    #1

    What happens on higher IATs?

    Has anyone of the vems users felt that on higher IATs, on cruise the car feels less torquey in the mid range and OFF boost?

    I get that impression most of the times when the IATs are higher than 25-30C and im doing small city runs, which makes me think if the problem is the actual engine needing a service or this is a mapping issue.

    I am under the impression (and motronic tuners can verify if the want), that motronic makes the mixture a bit richer on higher IATs and leaner on colder IATs in order to avoid the unwanted knock. However when talking about cruise, in both ECUs we are in closed loop, ie motronic keeping lamda =1 and VEMS whatever you wish.

    I have my cruise lamda ranging from 1.09 to 1.03 and with the timing i use it seems ideal for up to 25-28C IATs, but whenever i have been in a hotter enviroment, i got the impression that the engine didnt like it being so lean. Even though timing is being trimmed a bit on those IATs to compensate, i cannot tell if it is the mixture being to lean or the timing being too trimmed. My seat dyno is not that clever to tell the difference on changing settings and retesting on the road. I need to test this on a dyno.

    Has anyone else experienced anything similar during the summer time? Are you going that lean on the lamda on cruise?

    cheers
  • EspenW
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Apr 2007
    • 1534
    • Country: Norway

    #2
    Warmer air = less dense air = less oxygen = less power
    1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
    1994 80E Avant
    1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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    • A80Avant
      S2Forum Obsessed
      • Sep 2005
      • 10873
      • Country: Greece

      #3
      I know that, but I am comparing same ambient with different lambda here. It is obvious that overall it will be less power there, the idea is if its more lean than it should.

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      • pnanassy
        S2Forum Addict
        • Dec 2004
        • 287
        • Country: Hungary

        #4
        Is there a thing like "it should be"?

        What about tuning the engine for costant power,regardless of ambient conditions?That way you wont feel it what you feel now.
        Peter Nanassy

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        • A80Avant
          S2Forum Obsessed
          • Sep 2005
          • 10873
          • Country: Greece

          #5
          Yes, that's the beat thing on expense of a bit more fuel consumption I presume. It will be done later this year on a dyno.

          I was just wondering about other people's experiences. What have they found as ideal for these engines in regards to lambda

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          • Billman
            S2Forum Freak
            • Nov 2004
            • 4129

            #6
            Shouldn't it be the other way around? When cold more fuel (dense air) and when warm leaner (hot less dense air)?

            When it is cold Motronic adjusts so that it won't have more than standard hp.

            I am also feeling a difference (engine seems less responsive compared to cold engine (till lets say 50-60 degrees water temp) but i had it slao with motronic and almost any car i drove. Somehow thez are more crisp on the throttle :-D
            Go Holset or Go RS4

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