Modifying Motronic 2.3.2 ECU hardware and software.

[Tonks4x4]

Ok A direct question for a complete beginner....

What is the difference in files

*.bin
*.xdf

What is the prefered method of viewing the contents of these files?

[prj]

As I said before, I've always helped out anyone who is serious about this & has made some progress on their own.
Said user wasn't happy with getting answers to specific questions, his first demand was basically for me to hand over all my information to him, when I declined, he started posting **** about how he has been treated unfairly, and what a bad person I am, all the while using my tools to even get anywhere with the ECU.

There's quite a few people in the world who have access to my entire stack (data logging, launch control, NLS, ALS and so on), but these people helped with development, testing or other things. Never ever did they demand anything.

I've always said - ask specific questions, and it is likely you will get a specific answer.

But to be remotely serious about tuning these one needs proper logging tools, and these don't exist. Even the factory ones are quite primitive. I think they had special development ECU's / CPU kits to calibrate these, the factory logging functionality inside the ECU is inadequate to calibrate the ECU from scratch... And I am not talking about VAG-COM here, I am talking about McMess.

Also, to figure out anything, an emulator is basically a requirement. This one works well:
http://www.moates.net/ostrich-20-the...eed-p-169.html, and you need two of them. I had three at one point...

[John B]

Great... no problem then... talk away and i look forward to reading updates on this thread

Gentlemen (& ladies), sharing information on this great forum is what it's all about for me. Many times have I found the answer to the S2 question I had. Yes it is awkward when folks have commercial interests and their livelihood involved but a plea from me (and hopefully others) can we put the weapons away?

[vwnut8392]

high school was over for me 13 years ago so im done with the bickering. lets get this back on topic please. im glad this thread got attention but not the attention i wanted.

anyhow, i have been in contact with bosch automotive and they have been very cooperative with me on hooking me up with factory documentation on this fuel system suprisingly. im waiting to see what they want to release documentation to me. through reading i have heard people say there is a funktionsrahmen sheet that exists but only in a paper format and after a few conversations with people there it really does exist. i was saving this information for if and when i got the documentation like a suprise but i guess its time to let the cat out of the bag. if all goes well this is totally worth having regardless of price, and if i get it this will be the first place i post it for all of you guys to enjoy and develop freely.

[URquattroGus]

[prj]

thank you sonic. i would prefer to not deal with him regardless of what knowledge of he has, thats my opinion and im not going to go into it any further in this thread. that comment was not aimed at him in specific either. i also prided him for the mapfinder program but that goes over looked. i will say that every forum i post in am plagued by him and negative comments. so if you see fit to remove this thread and remove my account for my beliefs than so be it. im not here to play favoritism games, im here to talk freely and bring what knowlege i have to the table.

Yeah, I am really sorry for not giving you all the information that I have in exchange for nothing. Because as you put it "you can't be arsed to look into things yourself".

Now you are "plagued" huh.

Well I have a tip for you. You are not going to get any help from anyone by giving them attitude.
You feel entitled to all the information for some reason. I don't share that belief. In fact I don't give a damn about what you do and who you are and about your hard life and all the other reasons you've brought up as to why you should have access to all my knowledge instantly and without putting in any effort.

You ask for "no criticism", yet you continuously talk **** about me for no reason.
You can do that on nefmoto, but not here. As here every little lie of yours will be exposed.

[SteveH]

Why do ecu hacking threads always go this way?

Time, hard work and money

[Sonic]

im not here to play favoritism games, im here to talk freely and bring what knowlege i have to the table.

Great... no problem then... talk away and i look forward to reading updates on this thread

[rj scotty]

Why do ecu hacking threads always go this way?

[vwnut8392]

Thank you for your post and for joining the forum - i think it's great that people are still interested in understanding these cars and the electronics that run them, and people like yourself that take the time to document and add their experience to the mix make this forum what it is.

You did however point the fingger at prj in your OP, and in my opinion made it clear who you were referring to when you said:



So, i feel it perfectly reasonable that prj make a response in here. As you say, he is regarded and has achieved "god" status in ECU related matters, so i would value everything he says and be thankful for what tools and information you have already gained from him. We wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds

thank you sonic. i would prefer to not deal with him regardless of what knowledge of he has, thats my opinion and im not going to go into it any further in this thread. that comment was not aimed at him in specific either. i also prided him for the mapfinder program but that goes over looked. i will say that every forum i post in am plagued by him and negative comments. so if you see fit to remove this thread and remove my account for my beliefs than so be it. im not here to play favoritism games, im here to talk freely and bring what knowlege i have to the table.

[Sir Buff]

So, i feel it perfectly reasonable that prj make a response in here. As you say, he is regarded and has achieved "god" status in ECU related matters, so i would value everything he says and be thankful for what tools and information you have already gained from him. We wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds

true

[driftin jo]

^^^ what he said.

Or to put it another way

[Sonic]

Thank you for your post and for joining the forum - i think it's great that people are still interested in understanding these cars and the electronics that run them, and people like yourself that take the time to document and add their experience to the mix make this forum what it is.

You did however point the fingger at prj in your OP, and in my opinion made it clear who you were referring to when you said:

i know there are users on this forum and out there in general who have a full understanding of the ECU but will not elaborate on how to go about decompiling the software and already have a full understanding of the ECU. i have attempted to talk to some of these people but when it came down to it i felt these people where just degrading me and seemed to protect it like its bosch's best kept secret. i personally feel people have a right to know if they want to learn about how their car works so im going to post whatever i learn about M2.3.2.

So, i feel it perfectly reasonable that prj make a response in here. As you say, he is regarded and has achieved "god" status in ECU related matters, so i would value everything he says and be thankful for what tools and information you have already gained from him. We wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds

[vwnut8392]

once again PRJ ive asked for no criticisim and you've successfully done just that bringing up post's from other threads. i also asked kindly if you wouldnt participate in my threads. i understand i posted your program and i gave you the reference for it that you deserve. im willing to give up all the information i know and answer anyones questions regardless of what they want to know even if it seems im giving handouts. if people are willing to learn than i'll give them all the info i can, the more minds tackling a topic the better in my opinion. anyhow lets not stray off topic.

[prj]

Corrections:
1. The resistor is 5.6k 1%, 1206
2. MAP sensor upgrade is done like this: http://gm.mainframe.no/pics/mapsensor.jpg
3. Program can be posted freely, I've posted it in this forum before.
4. No point to offset the file, easier to just stack it 2x.
5. Disassembling the software - It says on the processors exactly what they are...
6. I don't mind people looking into this (hence me posting the map finder) I take offense in people like you demanding I hand over all my information for free without putting in any effort. That's exactly what you did.

Quote from nefmoto:

hey PRJ, just out of curiousity why do you tell everyone to disassemble everything? cant you just help us out like im trying to do with the boost chip? i think its sort of selfish how you tell everyone to disassemble code on their own because maybe they dont understand how to do it, want to take the time to learn how to do it etc. maybe a guy just wants to experiment with his car. obviously you know far more about this form of motronic than anyone so why do you help us out and post up some actual XDF files for the chips. you jump on allmy threads about this motronic and act like a god but wont really give anything out about it. yeah the map finder works but you have to know a bit more than the common man to use it. really give us something to work with here or please stop posting in my thread's because its really annoying how you treat people. id prefer some real help from knowledgeable people than someone who repeatedly tells everone to pretty much go figure it out for yourself. if i wanted to do that i wouldnt be posting here trying to find answers and get help now would i or any of the other guys here.

And a fitting reply from another member on there

I usually won't get involved with posts like this, but this got under my skin.

What makes you feel so entitled?

Why should anyone be obligated to volunteer hours of their time just because someone doesn't want to spend time of their own?

Do you think anyone here was born with this knowledge?

No, it takes alot of time and energy to learn.

Ask a specific question and I guarantee that if someone has the answer, then you will get it.

This do it for me because I don't want to bother to try myself is ********.