VEMS with Siemens DEKA 630cc

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  • Nuno_Cristiano
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • Dec 2015
    • 77
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    VEMS with Siemens DEKA 630cc

    Hi,

    Actually my 7A turbo running with this injectors, normally what AFR/Lambda you measure in idle? If i ajust to 14.7/ ( 1 ) the idle is not much perfect. Pulse width is constant 1.5ms timing 16ºBTDC too but i notice it. Injector Angle phase is removed ( 720º ).

    If i run at 0.92 Lambda is near of perfect.

    With yours is the same?

    Thanks
    .: Audi Coupe Quattro 20V 91' :.
    .: Audi/PorscheRS2 95' :.
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  • popdemonic
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Dec 2007
    • 1304
    • Country: Thailand

    #2
    IIRC you're hitting the min. pulsewidth of this 60lbs Deka(1.5ms).

    one of a few I5 from Asia.

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    • popdemonic
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Dec 2007
      • 1304
      • Country: Thailand

      #3
      i had no problems on running 60lbs Deka with 5bar FPR but my P/W was way higher than 1,5ms.
      one of a few I5 from Asia.

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      • A80Avant
        S2Forum Obsessed
        • Sep 2005
        • 10873
        • Country: Greece

        #4
        Try using the injector angle width. I have it around 400 to 450 if I remember correctly. My idle was acceptable at 950rpm on deka before I switched to ev14

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        • diesel des
          S2Forum Possessed
          • Feb 2004
          • 3896

          #5
          I also have no idle problems on 630cc delka injectors and vems. Just over 2 ms at idle from memory.

          Sent from my LG-H955 using Tapatalk

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          • Nuno_Cristiano
            S2Forum Fanatic
            • Dec 2015
            • 77
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            The problem is that running with 2 ms i have idle very rich, i agree more that minimum pulse width is short to injectors. Actually i run with FPR of ADU engine.
            .: Audi Coupe Quattro 20V 91' :.
            .: Audi/PorscheRS2 95' :.
            .: Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 96' :.

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            • A80Avant
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Sep 2005
              • 10873
              • Country: Greece

              #7
              I was always able to run 1.00 lambda at 950rpm and could pass mot as well

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              • popdemonic
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Dec 2007
                • 1304
                • Country: Thailand

                #8
                TJ:
                Anyone ever run the idle with A/C on as low as 850-870RPM?
                If i keep the idle as high as 920-950RPM.i never had erratic or
                oscillated idle on 60lbs or 80lbs with 5bar FPR.currently i have
                80lbs Deka with 5 bar FPR(Equivalent 1,100cc) the idle Pulsewidth
                is 2.2-2.3 ms.i got the erratic idle only if the MAT ramped up 75-85C.
                I ordered the 3 and 4bar FPR to give the more Min.pulsewidth at idle.
                one of a few I5 from Asia.

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                • A80Avant
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                  • Sep 2005
                  • 10873
                  • Country: Greece

                  #9
                  It's known that aftermarket ecu will have some trouble with idle so it makes sense to invest on ev14

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                  • kamuto
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                    • Oct 2009
                    • 83
                    • Country: Lithuania

                    #10
                    Originally posted by A80Avant
                    It's known that aftermarket ecu will have some trouble with idle so it makes sense to invest on ev14
                    if it's mapped properly there should be no problem at all

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                    • ChrisAudi80
                      S2Forum Addict
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 236
                      • Home: Norway Current: Thailand

                      #11
                      Does anyone have their Deka 630 (traditional) settings in VEMS handy?

                      Like:
                      Injector opening time @ 13.2v. I have 496us.
                      Effective ramp up. I have 1008us which seems quite long.
                      Voltage compensation. I have 304us, but I read that this could be less.

                      I know Rampup Voltage compensation is set to 4080us.
                      '96 UrS6 auto PRJ chipped E85
                      '95 80Q AEB VEMS E85

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                      • quattro-nick
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 1746
                        • Country: Belgium

                        #12
                        my settings in the past with siemens deka 630cc and vems with idle around 1000rpm are

                        req fuel 3.4 ms
                        injector open time @13.2v :0s
                        effective rampup:192 us
                        rampup voltage compensation:4080 us
                        voltage compensation:896 us

                        injector pwm dc: 100%
                        pwm peak time : 25.5 ms

                        do not remember exactly how much my fuel pressure was but it was around 3.5 bar
                        lambda 1.00 on idle
                        audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
                        TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
                        AEM W/M injection

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                        • ChrisAudi80
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                          • Oct 2011
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by quattro-nick
                          my settings in the past with siemens deka 630cc and vems with idle around 1000rpm are

                          req fuel 3.4 ms
                          injector open time @13.2v :0s
                          effective rampup:192 us
                          rampup voltage compensation:4080 us
                          voltage compensation:896 us

                          injector pwm dc: 100%
                          pwm peak time : 25.5 ms

                          do not remember exactly how much my fuel pressure was but it was around 3.5 bar
                          lambda 1.00 on idle
                          Thank you, I will try those settings later. My req fuel is 5.0 with 2.5bar on my AEB because of e85.
                          '96 UrS6 auto PRJ chipped E85
                          '95 80Q AEB VEMS E85

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                          • popdemonic
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 1304
                            • Country: Thailand

                            #14
                            When i went from 60lbs to 80lbs Deka.I had badly erratic idle.tweaked up a hundred times but not near perfect.
                            once i got the correct injector deadtime(latency),You almost do nothing on the idle.it's buttery smooth.Just spending
                            a little time on running for a various IAT and tweaked up the MAT(IAT) slope compensation.You're all set.No problem at
                            1.8ms on idle.
                            one of a few I5 from Asia.

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                            • ChrisAudi80
                              S2Forum Addict
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 236
                              • Home: Norway Current: Thailand

                              #15
                              Originally posted by popdemonic
                              When i went from 60lbs to 80lbs Deka.I had badly erratic idle.tweaked up a hundred times but not near perfect.
                              once i got the correct injector deadtime(latency),You almost do nothing on the idle.it's buttery smooth.Just spending
                              a little time on running for a various IAT and tweaked up the MAT(IAT) slope compensation.You're all set.No problem at
                              1.8ms on idle.
                              You mean injector open time @ 13.2v?
                              '96 UrS6 auto PRJ chipped E85
                              '95 80Q AEB VEMS E85

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