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  • Lloyd
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Apr 2006
    • 1559
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    #1

    RS2 Brake Upgrade Time.

    RS2's are very addictive. Great when accelerating, just a bit scary stopping...

    Since the first time I drove this RS2 (stock little reds & EBC green pads) I had felt very aware of the car feeling under braked - at least compared to modern cars.

    Even with the EBC greens the car didn't brake especially well. Very low ‘initial bite’ when cold, cruising on the road. On the track, the pads only lasted for six 10 min sessions around Bedford before crumbling to bits - and that's with 2 cooling laps after each session. Not a good set-up.

    I’ve an ambition to drive round the N’ring and Spa next year AND drive home. All without carrying out major maintenance on route. So, I figured some tweaks were in order. :mischeif:

    In the end, I decided to opt for some GT3 Mk1 calipers on the front. These were recommended to me by Corey from Quattronics, who spent considerable time explaining the various caliper/disc options to help me make the right decision.

    The monoblocks will not suffer from any corrosion issues, plate lift etc that the little and big red’s are susceptible to and offer a much larger pad area to maximise braking torque. The other ‘slight’ advantage is the larger caliper can take a little more heat due to there being slightly more mass than a Big Red caliper.

    The full package consisted of one pair of Porsche GT3 monoblock 4-pot calipers. These are Porsche red which matches OEM. Goodrich Stainless steel hoses front and rear, again in black for a more OEM look. MOTUL RBF600 was selected as the brake fluid.

    I spoke to many race engineers for advice on brake pads and they all pointed towards Pagid RS29 brake pads. These are bright yellow (as it happens) and I’m told are Pagid’s 24 Hr endurance race pad. They’re designed to run at race speeds, hot and cold for 24 hrs non stop, without requiring a disc or pad change. So they should last on a 1600Kg car doing a few track days – unlike the OEM or EBC’s.

    New OEM Porsche discs front and rear together with some custom made anodised aluminium caliper carriers designed and manufactured by Corey completed the picture.

    Fitting took several hours, all carried out at Quattronics in Lincoln. There was, as always, some technical challenges along the way, but all handled very professionally by Corey. There was even free coffee on tap!

    The end result is quite a marked contrast to the original set-up. The brake pedal has a short travel, ending with a hard and quite progressive bite. The braking ability now is really quite astonishing compared to the ‘little red’ set-up.

    The Pagid’s bite like ‘ell from cold which is great, as I was worried whether they would. I have yet to take the car onto the track but I have great confidence that they will now cope much better. There is occasionally a very slight squeal under braking, but I feel this is a very minor drawback for a major overall advantage.

    In short, I can highly recommend Corey’s technical services and the GT3 upgrade!

    I’ve hopefully included some photos below to show the work as described above.

    Cheers,

    Lloyd
    RS2+ (now sold...)
  • richslay
    S2Forum Enthusiast
    • Mar 2005
    • 153

    #2
    LLoyd, out of interest what was the total cost?

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    • Lloyd
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Apr 2006
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      #3
      Hi Richslay,

      Not cheep cheep but well worth it for safety and peace of mind

      Getting a good condition and cheap 2nd hand pair of GT3 calipers helps a lot.

      Cheers,

      Lloyd
      RS2+ (now sold...)

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      • GT500
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Jun 2006
        • 2181
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        sounds a nice set up..

        Its a shame you only tried the boy racer ebc rubbish on the standard set up, I am a race engineer and have done lots of racing.
        I run SBS pads in my RS2, available from Questmeade. With Mintex Black fluid.
        With this combination I have spanked round coombe and croft, no fade no fluid boil.
        As for how hard i was pushing them ask, Wab.
        The standard set up is fantastic when the correct parts are used.

        When your Padgid stuff goes hard, ie it needs to be worked all the time, if not it goes dead, glazes easy on the road, try some SBS or Mintex F4R.


        Rob
        Rob..
        94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
        87 UR 20v ABY
        97 S6 Avant
        96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
        1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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        • BRY
          S2Forum Possessed
          • Nov 2004
          • 3755
          • Home: United Nations Current: Vietnam

          #5
          Originally posted by lgrees
          Getting a good condition and cheap 2nd hand pair of GT3 calipers helps a lot.
          Not a problem
          Kingdoms are run by Kings, Dictatorships are run by Dictators.
          England must be a Country. :mischeif:

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          • Lloyd
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Apr 2006
            • 1559
            • Home: Wales Current: England

            #6
            Yeah, I don't rate the EBC stuff at all. SERIOUSLY.

            They were on the car when I bought it. Nevermind.

            I tried it, worked it, and it failed. Ho hum...

            All good now though

            Thanks for the tip re: Pagids
            Last edited by Lloyd; 8 September 2006, 10:10.
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            • Lloyd
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Apr 2006
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              • Home: Wales Current: England

              #7
              Photos below
              Last edited by Lloyd; 8 September 2006, 09:13.
              RS2+ (now sold...)

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              • Lloyd
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Apr 2006
                • 1559
                • Home: Wales Current: England

                #8
                Photos

                Here's some photos. . .
                Attached Files
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                • Lloyd
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Apr 2006
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                  • Home: Wales Current: England

                  #9
                  Photos

                  Caliper & Disc
                  Attached Files
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                  • Lloyd
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 1559
                    • Home: Wales Current: England

                    #10
                    Carrier

                    Carrier
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                    • GT500
                      S2Forum Fiend
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 2181
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Thats mighty tasty!!

                      Exellent job.
                      Rob..
                      94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
                      87 UR 20v ABY
                      97 S6 Avant
                      96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
                      1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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                      • Corey
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 2793
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Originally posted by GT500
                        Thats mighty tasty!!

                        Exellent job.

                        Thank you
                        Corey
                        01636 822288

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                        • S2-racer
                          S2Forum Addict
                          • May 2004
                          • 247
                          • Country: England

                          #13
                          most envious, will have to pay off the accident bill a bit quicker me thinks
                          '92 S2 - Bent now

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                          • Corey
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 2793
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Or win the raffle at Billing
                            Corey
                            01636 822288

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                            • S2-racer
                              S2Forum Addict
                              • May 2004
                              • 247
                              • Country: England

                              #15
                              not sure i could even afford the fuel to get there right now
                              but that would be nice, have to see how the lottery goes this weekend
                              '92 S2 - Bent now

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