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  • andyg plym
    S2Forum Freak
    • Nov 2006
    • 4646
    • Country: England

    #1

    Non starter help needed!

    Ok so here is the story,where the ecu connects to the loom under the dash i appear to have a loose connection (someone has been there before i think-as that sticky black nylon stuff has been tampered with),its run fine for years like this.
    Anyway,I noticed one morning the car would not start,I left it then the next day traced back the work I had done and I had just replaced the chips.
    So I unplugged the ecu,plugged it back in and boom-it started.
    So then the next day after no time to diagnose I drove it-fine,no problems until I pulled up at a set of lights when it died,I leaned down to the ecu wiggled it and it started.
    Today same thing,drove to work fine,tonight would not start.
    I wiggled,nothing.I even unscrewed the plastic ecu large plug to see if any wires had popped out.....nothing!
    So just had the car recovered home and now borrowed a code reader to try and get a head start (Thanks Tristan aka merlin s4)
    Anyway,battery almost dead but still got ignition light on and went to connect the ob codereader and that doesnt work

    Checked all the fuses for motor etc in the fusebox.

    Any ideas?
  • andyg plym
    S2Forum Freak
    • Nov 2006
    • 4646
    • Country: England

    #2
    forgot to mention,the ecu clicks ever time you go to start the engine,i cant hear the fuel pump priming but then i couldnt the other day when it was starting,

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    • ManiacuV6
      S2Forum Addict
      • Dec 2009
      • 458
      • Country: Romania

      #3
      Check the relay that gives supply to the ECU. Try to measure on the connector that goes to the ECU if you have all the suplly 12V ( permanent and swiched ) . For a better check use a 21W bulb.
      Check also the grounds !
      Audi S4 2.2T 5 spd 1992 for parts
      AUDI A4 1.9TDI daily use

      Audi 80 Quattro 2.0 16V (ACE) aka Competition

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      • rj scotty
        S2Forum Fiend
        • May 2006
        • 2195
        • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

        #4
        Pull the cover off the fuel pump relay and see if its closing.

        The fuel pump dose not prime on these cars, it's the after-run pump your hearing. I runs for a few seconds when the ignition is switched on, I'm not sure why it dose this
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        "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
        BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

        1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
        1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
        2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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        • andyg plym
          S2Forum Freak
          • Nov 2006
          • 4646
          • Country: England

          #5
          cheers guys,ive just been reading up on s2 central and it points towards the fuel relay,would this also power the obd black diagnotic port? i cant get the code reader to power up,there appears to be no power to the port,the code reader has a black connector and a white connector,i connec them to the same coloured ports in the fuse box,is his right?

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          • ManiacuV6
            S2Forum Addict
            • Dec 2009
            • 458
            • Country: Romania

            #6
            On the black connector you should have a ground and a 12V line . Check with your multimeter !
            You can put 12V from the car's battery or another place. Important is to get 12V and ground.
            Last edited by ManiacuV6; 29 January 2013, 21:55.
            Audi S4 2.2T 5 spd 1992 for parts
            AUDI A4 1.9TDI daily use

            Audi 80 Quattro 2.0 16V (ACE) aka Competition

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            • rj scotty
              S2Forum Fiend
              • May 2006
              • 2195
              • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

              #7
              That black connector is also fused i think, can't remember fuse number though
              sigpic
              "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
              BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

              1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
              1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
              2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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              • andyg plym
                S2Forum Freak
                • Nov 2006
                • 4646
                • Country: England

                #8
                Originally posted by rj scotty
                That black connector is also fused i think, can't remember fuse number though
                21,ive checked and its fine



                this is interesting,it again points to relay???

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                • UrS4boy
                  S2Forum Obsessed
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 11859
                  • Country: Canada

                  #9
                  Originally posted by rj scotty
                  That black connector is also fused i think, can't remember fuse number though
                  Something like 27 and 28 here?

                  RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                  94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                  • andyg plym
                    S2Forum Freak
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 4646
                    • Country: England

                    #10
                    Originally posted by UrS4boy
                    Something like 27 and 28 here?

                    thanks dave,ive studied that pic loads tonight as its been posted before

                    all those fuses are fine,ive checked twice now

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                    • rj scotty
                      S2Forum Fiend
                      • May 2006
                      • 2195
                      • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                      #11
                      Good point, have you checked the motor fuses?
                      sigpic
                      "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
                      BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

                      1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
                      1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
                      2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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                      • ManiacuV6
                        S2Forum Addict
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 458
                        • Country: Romania

                        #12
                        If you want to keep things simple verify the power supply to the ECU connector .
                        Audi S4 2.2T 5 spd 1992 for parts
                        AUDI A4 1.9TDI daily use

                        Audi 80 Quattro 2.0 16V (ACE) aka Competition

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                        • rj scotty
                          S2Forum Fiend
                          • May 2006
                          • 2195
                          • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                          #13
                          Agreed, always check basics and assume nothing in these situations
                          sigpic
                          "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
                          BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

                          1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
                          1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
                          2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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                          • andyg plym
                            S2Forum Freak
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 4646
                            • Country: England

                            #14
                            My question at the minute is if the fuel pump relay is connected to the black diagnostic port? thanks again boys.....typical,ive carried a spare fuse box in my boot for months but sods law no freakin relay.

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                            • rj scotty
                              S2Forum Fiend
                              • May 2006
                              • 2195
                              • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                              #15
                              No i don't think so but I do not have diagrams with me.

                              Ignore the OBD plug for the moment.

                              To Do:

                              Check motor fuses
                              Check power to ecu
                              Take lid off fuel pump relay and see if it closes on cranking
                              sigpic
                              "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
                              BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

                              1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
                              1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
                              2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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