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  • Jamo
    Retired OG Mod
    • Mar 2004
    • 21750
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    What's the correct boost level in each gear?

    Now i've got a boost gauge i've been looking at my boost levels in each gear (car is homefried)

    1st: 0.4 bar
    2nd: 1.2 bar
    3rd: 1.4 bar dropping to 1-1.2 bar
    4th: same as 3rd
    5th same as 3rd
    6th: same as 3rd

    Is this correct?
  • kwlw
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Sep 2004
    • 1025
    • Country: Lithuania

    #2
    Originally posted by Jamo
    Now i've got a boost gauge i've been looking at my boost levels in each gear (car is homefried)

    1st: 0.4 bar
    2nd: 1.2 bar
    3rd: 1.4 bar dropping to 1-1.2 bar
    4th: same as 3rd
    5th same as 3rd
    6th: same as 3rd

    Is this correct?
    Quite correct. Should overboost to 1.5 bar. But it depends on your boost gauge precision and boost leaks .

    Sau
    200 20vt 88' 3b, human carrier
    CQ typ85 with AAN inside, see project blog at http://kwlw.blogspot.com

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    • Mihnea
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      • Jul 2003
      • 1288
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      #3
      Sau, how do you know how much boost the homefries should run???????????
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      • S2 Ant
        S2Forum Possessed
        • Jul 2003
        • 3682
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        sounds good Jamo, mines doing the same, boosts to around 21-22psi peak and tails down from there.

        Altho something must be up somewhere as ive been seeing 25-26psi peak for a few seconds, then drops down to 21-22 before going down as normal.
        Ant

        2007 Mk5 Golf GTi, 3 door, DSG, REVO Stg 2 and other goodies
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        • BRY
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          • Nov 2004
          • 3755
          • Home: United Nations Current: Vietnam

          #5
          Originally posted by S2 Ant
          sounds good Jamo, mines doing the same, boosts to around 21-22psi peak and tails down from there.

          Altho something must be up somewhere as ive been seeing 25-26psi peak for a few seconds, then drops down to 21-22 before going down as normal.
          I'd get that checked as Johnny had something similar happen to his and now its fooked.
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          • S2 Ant
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            • Jul 2003
            • 3682
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Im guessing it may be the WGFV if its going too high, ive been keeping an eye on it and its not everytime i floor it, only sometimes, so sticky WGFV perhaps?
            Ant

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            • BRY
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              • Nov 2004
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              #7
              How much higher than the "set" boost is allowed before overboost protection cuts in?
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              • kwlw
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Sep 2004
                • 1025
                • Country: Lithuania

                #8
                Originally posted by Mihnea
                Sau, how do you know how much boost the homefries should run???????????
                I don't know, I guess from my expierence. Usually homefry tuners usually max out stock ABY (I guess 1995 S2 is aby) pressure sensor on overboost. That is 1.5 bar - right ? .

                Also I have seen some "god only knows where from it came" chipsets which did the same...

                Am I wrong ?

                Sau
                200 20vt 88' 3b, human carrier
                CQ typ85 with AAN inside, see project blog at http://kwlw.blogspot.com

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                • WabTheKing
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • May 2004
                  • 2567
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Originally posted by S2 Ant
                  sounds good Jamo, mines doing the same, boosts to around 21-22psi peak and tails down from there.

                  Altho something must be up somewhere as ive been seeing 25-26psi peak for a few seconds, then drops down to 21-22 before going down as normal.
                  is this not spiking???!

                  possible caused by a dodgy wgfv?

                  do you A: buy a new wgfv

                  or B: add £150 and get a funky boost controller

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                  • S2central.net
                    Retired OG Mod
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 16590
                    • Country: Northern Ireland

                    #10
                    Originally posted by kwlw
                    I don't know, I guess from my expierence. Usually homefry tuners usually max out stock ABY (I guess 1995 S2 is aby) pressure sensor on overboost. That is 1.5 bar - right ? .

                    Also I have seen some "god only knows where from it came" chipsets which did the same...

                    Am I wrong ?

                    Sau
                    Well going by the turbo map for the K24 a maximum of about 1.3 - 1.4 boost is the norm. The wee K24 isn't terribly efficient at these levels for long so air temps will get out of control unless boost is substantially reduced at the redline...
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                    • kwlw
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 1025
                      • Country: Lithuania

                      #11
                      Originally posted by S2central.net
                      Well going by the turbo map for the K24 a maximum of about 1.3 - 1.4 boost is the norm. The wee K24 isn't terribly efficient at these levels for long so air temps will get out of control unless boost is substantially reduced at the redline...
                      Interesting. Local backyard tuners used to run up to 1.9 bar with K26 (probably air hot as hell). So I thought 1.5 bar is quite normal with K24.

                      Now I am thinking in other way . Thanks for explaination

                      So if my killer chip is making 1.5 bar - does it mean, that my engine is getting too hot air to be efficient and too exaustive to the that tiny fast spinning thingy called k24 ?

                      And could someone explain me that "turbo inefficient - air too hot" situation, when I use huge intercooler. Is the pressure dropping in the intercooler when air is cooling to the temperatures suitable for engine ? I mean if I have megaboost with megahot air, and add megacool intercooler to the system, then after air cools down and pressure drops, I just get moderate boost with badly worn or blown turbo ?

                      Sau
                      200 20vt 88' 3b, human carrier
                      CQ typ85 with AAN inside, see project blog at http://kwlw.blogspot.com

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                      • Jamo
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 21750
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Turbo inefficiency, basically the turbo gets to a point where it is no longer compress the air in the given compressor space and increasing the boost pressure beyond this point just results in heating the air and increasing the charged air temperature.

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                        • Doug_RS2
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                          • Jul 2003
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by BRY
                          I'd get that checked as Johnny had something similar happen to his and now its fooked.
                          Not related problems.
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                          • BRY
                            S2Forum Possessed
                            • Nov 2004
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                            • Home: United Nations Current: Vietnam

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Doug_RS2
                            Not related problems.
                            WTF?

                            Fact 1
                            Johnny's car had boost spikes way above his normal running presure

                            Fact 2
                            Johnny's engine is now fooked

                            I think the two are related somehow, as they were within half an hour of each other.

                            How do you explain the pile of bits in his garage then?
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                            England must be a Country. :mischeif:

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                            • Doug_RS2
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                              • Jul 2003
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                              #15
                              He had a boost spike - so was driving part throttle for a while.

                              Driving part throttle is not going to cause a lump of metal to fall out of an exhaust port. If it was the seat or valve that had melted then it would be related. The ports have been opened out too much - it was only a matter of time. I expect he got the head done at the same place my head was done by the previous owner (both work was done by the same garage) - not a good job done on either of them - both have had problems due to bad workmanship.
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