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  • caterpillar
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Jun 2004
    • 2480

    #16
    jepp! stenparners piston,will not(???) fit ,BECAUSE they will go over 3mm over the deck of block.....THAT was strange.....only in 81mm too....i have ordered by JE...

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    • auditude
      S2Forum Addict
      • Aug 2003
      • 407
      • Country: United States

      #17
      Originally posted by AnLe
      There was good article about dialynx 2.5 litre engine, with very good dyno results.
      This might be the link, but it is down for me right now:
      Kenneth
      1990 Coupe quattro
      1991 200q20v x 2
      1985 4ksq 20vt project
      1986 Coupe GT 10vt project
      2006 Honda Ridgeline
      1998 Honda VFR800FI

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      • Jamo
        Retired OG Mod
        • Mar 2004
        • 21750
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        Originally posted by AnLe
        well if you use 30mm tall pistons from eurospeck = hondas je pistons, you need 159mm long rods, if you use 32,8mm tall orginal pistons 155,5mm long rods is close.


        Your math is wrong: 95,5 stoke is up and down, so its blockheight-piston compression height - (95,5/2)


        236-32,8=203,2
        95,5/2=47,75
        203,2-47,75=155,45

        and then add to lenght that you want to be deckheigt clearance, 0,7mm is my opinion. Orginal does not come so much over deck, newer measured it.

        but if you use different pistons all this is wasted.

        So are you saying here that the original pistons dont have 0mm clearance but come 0.7mm over the deck height? And this is o.k?

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        • Jamo
          Retired OG Mod
          • Mar 2004
          • 21750
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          Originally posted by AnLe
          we may have language prob here, technical terms are allways hard.

          155,45 long rods would be EVEN to deck and my opinion is that 0,7mm over deck is good, that would make rod 155,45+0,7mm BUT that would make compratio higher than orginal, becouse it does orginally go just 0,1-0,3 over deck, this is just memory, not an actual measurement.

          But alllllllways measure everything your self, do not drust anybody, it is your engine, and believe it or not the truth is NOT in the internet.

          I have so many times got "race" or quality parts with so many wrongs that I dont trust any measurement that i have not made my self. Its cheaper that way.

          Same goes for the calculations,

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          • AnLe
            S2Forum Addict
            • Dec 2003
            • 291
            • Country: Finland

            #20
            No, I don't know does the orginal piston come over deck, if calculated from the dimensions, it does not, but the squish area is raised, but no more than 0,3mm, but it is so small that it does not change compression rate, but makes squish area better.
            The reason I liked to around 0,7 over the deck is that squish area works even better, and when the gasget is 1,6 thick it gives 0,9mm clearance.
            Feel free to google squish area it the term is unfamiliar. I'm no expert on the subject, just something I picket up long the way.

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            • AnLe
              S2Forum Addict
              • Dec 2003
              • 291
              • Country: Finland

              #21
              Originally posted by Jamo
              So are you saying here that the original pistons dont have 0mm clearance but come 0.7mm over the deck height? And this is o.k?


              No.

              Stock goes very close to deck level, and if it goes over, it is just the squish area part.

              proof:

              stock: 220mm block height
              86,4mm stroke
              144mm rod
              32,8 tall piston.

              86,4/2=43,2
              43,2+144+32,8=220

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              • Jamo
                Retired OG Mod
                • Mar 2004
                • 21750
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                Just as I figured every calculation I do comes out at 32.45 compression height I need for the stroker at 236mm AAT block height to get 0 squish.

                I want to know the effects of running S2 compression height of 32.8 giving 0.35mm into the squish is a no no or would that be good?

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                • AnLe
                  S2Forum Addict
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 291
                  • Country: Finland

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Jamo
                  Just as I figured every calculation I do comes out at 32.45 compression height I need for the stroker at 236mm AAT block height to get 0 squish.

                  I want to know the effects of running S2 compression height of 32.8 giving 0.35mm into the squish is a no no or would that be good?
                  I don't know how the comprate comes out, but there should be no prob. gasget is 1.6mm thick so the piston will not hit head.

                  Is is good ? dunno, must ask someone that knows, I dont think there is any problem, but what conrod are you using? What is cr?
                  Last edited by AnLe; 21 June 2007, 17:46.

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                  • Jamo
                    Retired OG Mod
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 21750
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    CR will be 8.5 - 8.7 dependant on my final calculations rod 155.8 in length.

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                    • AnLe
                      S2Forum Addict
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 291
                      • Country: Finland

                      #25
                      erm, I did write little too fast, 0,35 over deck should not be a problem.

                      Ok, so you have 155,8 rod and orginal pistons, that makes 10,04 of an compression rate, thats more than one unit more than orginal, I would not recomend that.

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                      • Billman
                        S2Forum Freak
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 4129

                        #26
                        Originally posted by AnLe
                        erm, I did write little too fast, 0,35 over deck should not be a problem.

                        Ok, so you have 155,8 rod and orginal pistons, that makes 10,04 of an compression rate, thats more than one unit more than orginal, I would not recomend that.
                        Now that you in the number what pistons should i take in order to have 8,5 CR with diesel block and crank and 158mm 23mm rods?
                        Go Holset or Go RS4

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                        • Jamo
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 21750
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #27
                          Originally posted by AnLe
                          erm, I did write little too fast, 0,35 over deck should not be a problem.

                          Ok, so you have 155,8 rod and orginal pistons, that makes 10,04 of an compression rate, thats more than one unit more than orginal, I would not recomend that.
                          No not original pistons, original piston compression height. The dish will be made with more cc on to

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                          • AnLe
                            S2Forum Addict
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 291
                            • Country: Finland

                            #28
                            jamo: ok!

                            Bill: calculate your sefl
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                            • Billman
                              S2Forum Freak
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 4129

                              #29
                              @AnLe
                              Go Holset or Go RS4

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                              • Mark Halligan
                                S2Forum Fiend
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 2001
                                • Country: England

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Jamo
                                So are you saying here that the original pistons dont have 0mm clearance but come 0.7mm over the deck height? And this is o.k?
                                Jamo

                                from an old thread

                                Mark - Modded

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