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Originally posted by Mihnea
On a real K26 @8 it is 56mm or thereabouts, Doug, what about measuring it so we know once and for all BTW???
FWIW, an RS2 K26 #6 exducer bore is 54mm.S2,RS2,S4 WB,RS4,S4 B8,RS6 C5,RS6 C6,R8
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Originally posted by Mihnea
On a real K26 @8 it is 56mm or thereabouts, Doug, what about measuring it so we know once and for all BTW???
This is the inlet diameter to the hot side(the bit that bolts to the manifold ( is that what you wanted measuring? )S2,RS2,S4 WB,RS4,S4 B8,RS6 C5,RS6 C6,R8
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Originally posted by PisobikerI would like to point out some aspects about 3B/ABY/AAN vs. ADU vs. 7A cams:
analizing data I have there are some in my opinion interesting things to consider when choosing among different cam's options:<snip>
How about some analysis of the different 20vt cams offered by CATCAMS? This is from their webpage. I'm particularly curious which would be best for a 2.5l stroker. I know that Audi_CQ on here is using the 266° version on his 2.5l stroker with good results. Unless there's a reason to pick a different grind, I'll try to go that way (assuming I can afford them).
From: Cat Cams Website:
Code:manufacturer: V.A.G. cam layout: DOHC engine layout: 5cyl - L follower type: DTH (Direct Tappet Hydraulic) valves [in/ex]: 4v [2/2] rotation: cw car model capacity engine code from until audi 80,100, 2226cc RR,3B,AAN, 09/1990 1996 coupé,A6,RS2 ABY,ADU (all quattro) audi 90,coupé 2308cc 7A 08/1988 09/1991 (all quattro) partnr. duration duration maximum lift lift at TDC parts application [0.1mm+cl][1.0mm+cl][cl=0] [cl=0] [-] [-] 1002331 242/258° 211/223° 9.65/10.00mm 0.40/0.95mm O.E.M. HYDR: sport 1002303 266/266° 226/226° 11.20/11.20mm 1.10/1.10mm O.E.M. HYDR: sport 1002305 279/275° 242/238° 11.50/11.45mm 2.30/2.05mm O.E.M. HYDR: rally & cross 1002422 284/284° 234/234° 10.90/10.90mm 1.55/1.75mm custom MECH: rally & cross 1002423 270/270° 241/241° 12.00/12.00mm 2.65/2.60mm custom MECH: rally & cross 1002426 282/278° 254/250° 13.20/12.55mm 3.75/3.30mm custom MECH: rally & race 1002424 301/288° 267/255° 12.70/12.15mm 4.40/3.50mm custom MECH: rally & race 1002427 288/280° 261/253° 13.95/13.20mm 4.70/4.05mm custom MECH: rally & race
Kenneth
1990 Coupe quattro
1991 200q20v x 2
1985 4ksq 20vt project
1986 Coupe GT 10vt project
2006 Honda Ridgeline
1998 Honda VFR800FI
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Marco : Simple question
What benefits of 7A exhaust cam on 3B engine with RS2 turbo,manifold,injectors,fuel pump and remap(Some 360HP?). Will I see any benefit of installing 7A exhaust cam on such configuration ? On which revs ?
Thanks in advance.Vadim.
New engine (mechanical PKM head) , Alcon 332mm brakes , Pauter rods , Mahle pistons, GT30R , kw v2 sucpension , new exhaust. 608HP. For SALE !
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You will gain some top end power. Its not a lot, but every little helps. Im usng both 7A cams in my 3B. The more air the engine flows the better.sigpic
Tom C - www.rcmr.co.uk
Audi UR Quattro
Audi 100 C3 2.0 5 cyl 115ps
Audi S2 - 07k engine project aiming for 800ps
Audi B5 RS4 645ps 911nm
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Tom: Is it safe to run just exhaust 7A cam ? Or should I put both ?
P.S. I do have access to both of them.Vadim.
New engine (mechanical PKM head) , Alcon 332mm brakes , Pauter rods , Mahle pistons, GT30R , kw v2 sucpension , new exhaust. 608HP. For SALE !
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Its safe to use just the exhaust one, but IMO its best to fit both. It doesnt make idle lumpy or anything. Increased valve lift from ~8.6mm to ~11.5mm with 7a cams.sigpic
Tom C - www.rcmr.co.uk
Audi UR Quattro
Audi 100 C3 2.0 5 cyl 115ps
Audi S2 - 07k engine project aiming for 800ps
Audi B5 RS4 645ps 911nm
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Originally posted by SweeperTom: Is it safe to run just exhaust 7A cam ? Or should I put both ?
P.S. I do have access to both of them.
I think most people just run the 7A exhaust cam with whatever turbo intake cam their car normally has, just like most use factory-type upgrade paths use the RS2 exhaust cam only. It's supposed to be a cheaper, more easily obtainable, and more aggressive upgrade than the RS2 exhaust cam. Once again this is all just reading online, not from personal experience.Last edited by auditude; 30 September 2004, 18:27.Kenneth
1990 Coupe quattro
1991 200q20v x 2
1985 4ksq 20vt project
1986 Coupe GT 10vt project
2006 Honda Ridgeline
1998 Honda VFR800FI
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I think Vadim is using RS2 manifold as he is after at least 360bhp, thats why i said yes. But that Kreummer site, has loads of info about cams and loads of other projects. Check it out Vadim, you may find your answer in that sitesigpic
Tom C - www.rcmr.co.uk
Audi UR Quattro
Audi 100 C3 2.0 5 cyl 115ps
Audi S2 - 07k engine project aiming for 800ps
Audi B5 RS4 645ps 911nm
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Yeah, as Tom says, more aggressive cams (more lift and more duration) will give some gains in the mid to high rpm.
Problem with cam comparison is I don't have an important data for comparing them:
real opening area which is the number that effectively says how much charge can be driven in the cylinder:
There is no gain in having 2mm more lift if, for example, opening of the higher lift cam is slower. In this case total area might even be the same for both with an advantage for the lower lift one, having more "mid opening area" (which is the most effective for flow). On the other hand a "steep" cam will put more stress on lobes, followers and springs so there is a safe limit on how quickly a cam can open valves.
Only data I have so far:
- as for duration 7A and the 266° Cat cams are similar (224°/213° Ex/In for the 7A; 226°/226° Ex/In for the Cat cams, both @ 1.0mm +cl) while the Cat cams has 11.2mm max lift on both Ex/In and 7A has 10.5mm (exhaust. I don't have lift for the intake).
- 3B-ABY-ADU have 22° less intake duration than the 7A one while on the exhaust 3b-ABY have same duration as 7A. ADU has 8° less exhaust duration but 9.5mm lift vs. 8.6.
NM camshafts seem midway between ADU and 7A but profile seemed to me less steep than the ADU cams, so, not having the equipment to check effective opening area, I will stay with the latter ones.
Of course another important thing will be the timing. You can play with it advancing and retarding a bit, accordingly with where you want max VE in the rpm.
Marco
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Originally posted by audimanI think Vadim is using RS2 manifold as he is after at least 360bhp, thats why i said yes. But that Kreummer site, has loads of info about cams and loads of other projects. Check it out Vadim, you may find your answer in that site
(Also, I was typing my reply before I saw yours posted, so I wasn't trying to rebut or anything. )Last edited by auditude; 30 September 2004, 00:13.Kenneth
1990 Coupe quattro
1991 200q20v x 2
1985 4ksq 20vt project
1986 Coupe GT 10vt project
2006 Honda Ridgeline
1998 Honda VFR800FI
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LOL, thats cool. Cheers for that Marco.sigpic
Tom C - www.rcmr.co.uk
Audi UR Quattro
Audi 100 C3 2.0 5 cyl 115ps
Audi S2 - 07k engine project aiming for 800ps
Audi B5 RS4 645ps 911nm
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Audituda: You are too kind :-). I guess I have too much link in this field. Need to open a shop maybe.Vadim.
New engine (mechanical PKM head) , Alcon 332mm brakes , Pauter rods , Mahle pistons, GT30R , kw v2 sucpension , new exhaust. 608HP. For SALE !
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