chip tuning

[urquattro-island]

hey all. put in my new chip, that i bought from germany. car is all stock and now i am boosting 1,2-1,3 bar thats pretty good is it not??
its a totally different car to drive, the tource is awsome. he he im happy and it cost 109Euros.

what you guys think, sounds ok?? AAN engine.

[porkkis]

There are chips and chips. Better not to use something that's not proven good.

Ebay chip 100€, engine overhaul 2500€.

[aelred]

A lot of the chips are copies, pirated in real terms, from possible respectable tuners, therefore good ones, no different than copying software. Just pot luck which ones you purchase and get and from whom. Just because it has an anti piracy or protection board doesn't mean it cannot be copied by the right people with the right equipment.

[urquattro-island]

well

im happy so far, fun too. but still looking for that nice ur or cupe..

[Ski]

ive heard lots of stories of chips going wrong.

Has it ever happened to anyone on this forum? or just a myth?

[Markarina]

The view from inside

For those of you that have chipped your cars or are considering chipping consider the following points ......

1) An OEM will spend somewhere in the region 30-40 man years developing and refining a "tune" for the base model of a car, compare this with your average tuning company they maybe spend 6 man months on developing a tune

2) An OEM will try and test every single aspect of the tune that they develop (they still make mistakes ) not only for expected effects but also side-effects, your average tuning company will only look at areas they are interested on

3) An OEM develops a tune as a best compromise between performance, economy, emissios and engine life based on a detailed knowledge of vehicle components, a tuning company is predominantly focussed on performance and somewhat about emissions (your car still has to pass an MOT)

4) Most "tuned" cars will fail very quickly if put through a manufacturer's acceptance test, whilst tuning company's will undoubtedly give you more performance, you have to ask at what cost ?, very few of them have the resources to see what the long term affect is on your car, whereas manufacturers put cars through accelerated ageing process

5) Warranty.... interesting one what does your owners manual/warranty say about chipping your car ......?????:mischeif:

Whilst I don't work for an OEM, I work very closely with OEM's and all of the above is based on readily available public knowledge.

[Ski]

well warranty has long expired on our cars. Also i think we are aware that making the car faster, will in the end lead to bigger bills to pay (brakes worn faster, engine put through more stress etc..) but I think we all come to terms with : more power costs more money.

Back to original question, has anyone on this forum ever have a engine go bad because of a bad chip? (i.e. ebay chip)

[WabTheKing]

i had a didgi tech chip, engine very much still alive as azman will tell you as he now owns it

[Ski]

Same here wab, although i was lead to belive it would make my engine go pop.

[urquattro-island]

well

mine is a tunetec chip, ebay.de. Works nice. I work only with OEM, mechanic at audi Iceland. But still i think this is the choice we make, more power and fun, more bills and more work... (no gain, without pain) ehh maybe lame, but..

[urquattro-island]

well

heres a link to the guy I bought it from, i am satisfied and so are a couple of houndred else too

http://cgi.ebay.de/Chiptuning-Audi-R...QQcmdZViewItem

[Jamo]

For those of you that have chipped your cars or are considering chipping consider the following points ......

1) An OEM will spend somewhere in the region 30-40 man years developing and refining a "tune" for the base model of a car, compare this with your average tuning company they maybe spend 6 man months on developing a tune

2) An OEM will try and test every single aspect of the tune that they develop (they still make mistakes ) not only for expected effects but also side-effects, your average tuning company will only look at areas they are interested on

3) An OEM develops a tune as a best compromise between performance, economy, emissios and engine life based on a detailed knowledge of vehicle components, a tuning company is predominantly focussed on performance and somewhat about emissions (your car still has to pass an MOT)

4) Most "tuned" cars will fail very quickly if put through a manufacturer's acceptance test, whilst tuning company's will undoubtedly give you more performance, you have to ask at what cost ?, very few of them have the resources to see what the long term affect is on your car, whereas manufacturers put cars through accelerated ageing process

5) Warranty.... interesting one what does your owners manual/warranty say about chipping your car ......?????:mischeif:

Whilst I don't work for an OEM, I work very closely with OEM's and all of the above is based on readily available public knowledge.

Utter garabe, OEM develop a generic chip for the production line that will give the most reliability and not performance based.

A good chips sets are just OEM chip sets refined to give more power , what is wrong with that?

A good tuner will cater the OEM chip set to your needs with real time mapping that is suited to yor car's engine individual performance.

Comments like the above wind me up, as it's the same type of people who stupidly pedantic to believe that mass production is the best thing since sliced bread.

Should i call you "Norm" from the twix advert?

[Bibby]

Utter garabe, OEM develop a generic chip for the production line that will give the most reliability and not performance based.

A good chips sets are just OEM chip sets refined to give more power , what is wrong with that?

A good tuner will cater the OEM chip set to your needs with real time mapping that is suited to yor car's engine individual performance.

Comments like the above wind me up, as it's the same type of people who stupidly pedantic to believe that mass production is the best thing since sliced bread.

Should i call you "Norm" from the twix advert?

He never said it was performance based.

[coupegt]

so whats the difference between the racing version and "normal" version this guy offers?

Seems like quite alot to promise +81 bhp on a otherwise standard engine.

Which version did you get urquattro-island? and what about the install in the ecu? did you do it yourself?

[Markarina]

hmmm so what you are saying is that OEM's make car's reliable as possible, yeah like that makes good commercial sense, if you have an ultra reliable car then why replace it ?? only unless it has better features.

What an OEM wants to do is make it last until the warranty runs then out and then have you replace expensive parts.

If OEM's wanted ultra reliable then why not have every car with a stainless exhaust ? It can't be because of cost since scorpion, miltek longlife et al supply a stainless exhaust at less than the cost of an OEM exhaust.

Since OEM's don't freely distribute source code and calibration instruction's then tuning cannot ever be 100% reliable, however as you said Jamo a good tuner wll be sympathetic to your car and wishes.

One or two people here have complained about repair costs and increased frequency of repairs on chipped cars.

At no point did I say don't do it and that OEM is best, all I was trying to was actually shed some light on the potential pitfalls of tuning a car.

And just for the record emissions is the highest priority for a calibration as they can't sell a car with failing emissions.

To clarify one point, I said most chipped cars won't pass an OEM acceptance test which is true ( I know this for a fact), however what I didn't say is that the OEM acceptance test goes way outside normal driving patterns and apart from perhaps some slightly shortened life on some higher stress components most chipped cars will be fine.