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  • zafra
    S2Forum Addict
    • Jun 2013
    • 320
    • Country: Spain

    #1

    wear on the cylinders

    Hi, I've been with 3 different blocks and different mileage. In all of them were the marks of the photos, is it normal? in the photos I upload there is charcoal, dirty, but the step is clenchable with your finger.
    The brands for the oil are visible.
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    Step 1: setup. <==
    Step 2: potentiation.
    Step 3: enjoy.
  • SteveH
    Super Moderator
    • Jul 2003
    • 4460
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    The wear line is the caused by the rings at TDC. The compression stroke is complete at this point, so it's not going to affect overall performance. It's normal wear and a hone or rebore should remove it.
    91 Modded 3B
    14 A6 Avant Black Edition

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    • zafra
      S2Forum Addict
      • Jun 2013
      • 320
      • Country: Spain

      #3
      Originally posted by SteveH
      The wear line is the caused by the rings at TDC. The compression stroke is complete at this point, so it's not going to affect overall performance. It's normal wear and a hone or rebore should remove it.
      HelloHello Steve, the brand is different in each cylinder, in some deeper than in others, what seems odd to me is that they see the factory striated for the oil. I don't know if it's normal in these blocks
      Step 1: setup. <==
      Step 2: potentiation.
      Step 3: enjoy.

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      • SteveH
        Super Moderator
        • Jul 2003
        • 4460
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Do you mean you can still see the honing marks on the cylinder walls?
        91 Modded 3B
        14 A6 Avant Black Edition

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        • De80q
          S2Forum Fanatic
          • Nov 2016
          • 56
          • Country: United States

          #5
          We call that ring ridge here in the states. It is a normal wear line at the top of the stroke. If you clean all the carbon off of it, it won't seem quite as drastic as it does now.

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          • zafra
            S2Forum Addict
            • Jun 2013
            • 320
            • Country: Spain

            #6
            Originally posted by SteveH
            Do you mean you can still see the honing marks on the cylinder walls?
            Yes, claro
            Step 1: setup. <==
            Step 2: potentiation.
            Step 3: enjoy.

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            • _ShurikeN
              S2Forum Maniac
              • Mar 2010
              • 733
              • Country: Russian Federation

              #7
              After a bit of re-honing it may look like this:
              nUUNqB_X4-Y.jpg



              Looks like you have NM block. If you are going to use it with 3B/AAN pistons you should compare the height of the ring ridge for NM and AAN pistons. AAN piston ring should not get higher than the ridge.

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              • steve briance
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Aug 2014
                • 1455
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                The criss cross markings on the cylinder wall is normal and a good sign! If they weren't there, the bores would be polished smooth and there would be nothing to hold the film of oil which lubricates.

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                • zafra
                  S2Forum Addict
                  • Jun 2013
                  • 320
                  • Country: Spain

                  #9
                  I know i know, its my english and traslator
                  Step 1: setup. <==
                  Step 2: potentiation.
                  Step 3: enjoy.

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                  • YELL MAN
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 535
                    • Country: Shetland Islands

                    #10
                    Originally posted by _ShurikeN
                    After a bit of re-honing it may look like this:
                    nUUNqB_X4-Y.jpg



                    Looks like you have NM block. If you are going to use it with 3B/AAN pistons you should compare the height of the ring ridge for NM and AAN pistons. AAN piston ring should not get higher than the ridge.
                    Is a rehone like that acceptable? The top ring will be on the glazed part of the bore on TDC. I ask cos mine is similar and I don't know if I can get away with it for a stock engine or if it needs a rebore.
                    1994 Indigo Blue S2 coupe
                    1994 80 Avant 1.9 TDI
                    2005 Yamaha Fazer 1000
                    1953 AJS Model 18S

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                    • Acki
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                      • Mar 2014
                      • 302
                      • Country: Germany

                      #11
                      Angle is not ok - looks very rough too.
                      The wear at TDC is caused by the rings (speed down, boundary friction).

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                      • YELL MAN
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 535
                        • Country: Shetland Islands

                        #12
                        Ok, thanks. I am going to put my block away for a rebore, hone and skim to be be safe. It's in bits now so no point trying to cut corners at this point
                        1994 Indigo Blue S2 coupe
                        1994 80 Avant 1.9 TDI
                        2005 Yamaha Fazer 1000
                        1953 AJS Model 18S

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                        • _ShurikeN
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 733
                          • Country: Russian Federation

                          #13
                          Originally posted by YELL MAN
                          Is a rehone like that acceptable?
                          Acceptable for exactly the same pistons (with the same ring height) but still the build would be some sort of ghetto way.
                          In case of some other pistons using, when ring would reach zone higher than wear, it is not acceptable at all.

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                          • YELL MAN
                            S2Forum Maniac
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 535
                            • Country: Shetland Islands

                            #14
                            Originally posted by _ShurikeN

                            Acceptable for exactly the same pistons (with the same ring height) but still the build would be some sort of ghetto way.
                            In case of some other pistons using, when ring would reach zone higher than wear, it is not acceptable at all.
                            That was more or less my thinking too and my bores are slightly worse than these. Thanks for the reply guys, I will see what the machine shop has to say in regards to oversizing the bores
                            1994 Indigo Blue S2 coupe
                            1994 80 Avant 1.9 TDI
                            2005 Yamaha Fazer 1000
                            1953 AJS Model 18S

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