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  • Tom_
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Oct 2007
    • 1301
    • Country: Czech Republic

    #1

    Nissens water radiator?

    Folks, my old 7A CQ water radiator is gone and I have to change to a new one. There aren't many options on the market these days. Are Nissens radiators any good? I know there are plenty of custom-made ones, but the prices are way out of my budget.
    I forget to mention that I am swapping the engine for a turbo one.
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  • Rikki Kitto
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Feb 2010
    • 6276
    • Country: England

    #2
    Save and buy an all ally one in the long run it will work out better value

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    • Tractor Dave
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      • Dec 2017
      • 5983
      • Country: Wales

      #3
      Nissens don't have a good reputation. Mahle took over Behr and are oe if you can find one.
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      • K Simmonds
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Dec 2007
        • 7627
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        #4
        The old all metal Nissen's ones are fine apart from they're prone to cracking around the bottom mount, that can be repaired pretty easily though.

        The newer one's with plastic end tanks aren't anything like as good as a Behr, if you can try and find one of them, especially if your not in a hurry for it.

        I'd take a decent second hand Behr over a brand new Nissens every time.

        The new Nissen's ones are cheap for a reason I'm afraid.
        1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
        1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
        1994 MTM RS2.
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        • K Simmonds
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          • Dec 2007
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          #5
          Originally posted by Rikki Kitto
          Save and buy an all ally one in the long run it will work out better value
          There's something to be said for this as you'll only ever need to purchase one.
          1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
          1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
          1994 MTM RS2.
          1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
          2000 B5 TQS.

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          • Tom_
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            • Oct 2007
            • 1301
            • Country: Czech Republic

            #6
            Ok..i Will save some money on Ally one as i can't find any decent one.

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            • Obli
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              • Jun 2022
              • 43
              • Country: England

              #7
              I recently had radiator rage & ruination on my 90 20v (7A).

              Brand new Valeo rad (£60 on eBay, seemed like a bargain) had small, lower outlet in the wrong place (the one that runs to bottom of expansion tank). Anyway, that had plastic top and bottom. Felt cheap. Sent it back.

              Nissens 604411 (without aux rad outlet) from EuroCarParts, suitable for the 90 2.3 20v according to Nissens site, didn't fit.



              The top hose connection had moved across a few inches. I found out their drawing was correct but the rads weren't made to drawing. Pointed that out to them, got annoyed, etc. and exchanged it for the following...

              Nissens 60442 (for models with aux rad) does fit! Had to replace rad bottom bobbin / mount. I plumbed off the outlet to aux rad as I don't need it.



              I recall that Nissens have variants for cars with or without air con. The rad that fits is meant to be for cars with air con but my car doesn't have air con. It's all a minefield.

              New Valeo and Nissens rads were slimmer than previous rad, ~32/34mm v 40mm. Supposedly more efficient cooling fins, though... new Nissens doesn't run hotter than the previous, thicker rad although my MFTS was recently changed too so temp gauge might be reading different...!

              The Nissens and Valeo rads looked to be the same construction with the plastic top/bottom. Images online of new Mahle/Behr units looked like they were also using the plastic top/bottom - it's as if everyone has sold out to the Chinese. I liked the look of the Hella offerings but either I couldn't find them in stock or their premium offering was too expensive.

              I was glad of a second hand Nissens radiator from Tractor Dave to get me by. It's still in the car. Kept the brand new Nissens 60442 rad (same model as Dave's old one) as a spare. In hindsight, I should've just got a custom aluminium job considering I'm keeping the car forever.

              I'd definitely go for that if I was considering a more powerful lump. I was reading that running engines too cool is not good either but I'd imagine the thermostat will take care regulating coolant temp if the radiator is too efficient.

              If you take a look at the link below, I've got photos and details of my radiator dabblings starting at post #119. It'll continue on the next page or two, so worth a flick through if you find it useful.

              http://www.classic-audi.co.uk/forum/...=39963&page=12

              Cheers,

              James
              Last edited by Obli; 12 December 2022, 21:21.

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              • Tom_
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Oct 2007
                • 1301
                • Country: Czech Republic

                #8
                Thanks James, i will check your topic. I find your information here very helpful.

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                • rxl
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                  • May 2012
                  • 1913
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                  #9
                  buy cheap ebay aluminium one

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                  • varia
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 821
                    • Current: United States

                    #10
                    the Nissens (60442) radiator i got recently is alloy

                    while mahle, Behr has plastic end
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                    • Obli
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                      • Jun 2022
                      • 43
                      • Country: England

                      #11
                      Originally posted by varia
                      the Nissens (60442) radiator i got recently is alloy
                      https://storage.googleapis.com/part-...mark/60442.jpg
                      while mahle, Behr has plastic end
                      Where did you get your Nissens 60442 from? Was it labelled 60442, new in a box? Mine was from Euro Car Parts a few months ago and it's got plastic ends of a different shape and silver fins. I wonder if you have a better, older design or perhaps Nissens listened to my complaints and changed the design

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                      • varia
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                        • Mar 2009
                        • 821
                        • Current: United States

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Obli

                        Where did you get your Nissens 60442 from? Was it labelled 60442, new in a box? Mine was from Euro Car Parts a few months ago and it's got plastic ends of a different shape and silver fins. I wonder if you have a better, older design or perhaps Nissens listened to my complaints and changed the design
                        USA. most of the stores has the nissen with plastic ends. But few listed the (most likely) old style, with metal end.
                        I emailed them, just to confirm its the one on the picture
                        Find Nissens, 60442 Radiator; Main Radiator 893121251G at discount prices in our extensive Audi auto parts catalog. AutohausAZ offers a large selection of Nissens parts online. For models with manual transmissions. 1 per car. Fits Audi 90 Quattro, Coupe Quattro, 80 Quattro, 80, 90. 376711281 60442 W0133-1600798

                        https://eeuroparts.com/product/nissens/60442

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                        • martinjs
                          S2Forum Possessed
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 3205
                          • Country: England

                          #13
                          The older ones with the metal end tanks were the ones that had all the leaking problems in the past.

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                          • K Simmonds
                            S2Forum Zealot
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 7627
                            • Country: Wales

                            #14
                            Originally posted by martinjs
                            The older ones with the metal end tanks were the ones that had all the leaking problems in the past.
                            That's right, the one in the pic Varia linked to is the old type with brass/copper alloy end tanks, these are okay (better than the brittle plastic tank version) but still prone to cracking and leaking especially around the bottom mount, which can be repaired fairly easily.

                            The best quality OE radiators are the Behr/Mahle version, sure they have plastic end tanks but these are way robust than the one's on any of the other options and the core's are vastly superior. You can also swap end tanks on them should you damage one which is impossible with the Nissens plastic version.
                            1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
                            1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
                            1994 MTM RS2.
                            1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
                            2000 B5 TQS.

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                            • Tom_
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                              • Oct 2007
                              • 1301
                              • Country: Czech Republic

                              #15
                              I ordered custom 80mm water radiator. I think it last forever and if there will be any modification needed i will weld that myself

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