200 20V No start (no spark)

[OrMar]

I have a no-start problem with my 200.
Reading error codes returns:

2112 (timing reference sensor)
2113 (Hall sensor in distributor)
2111 (RPM sensor)

Just replaced dizzy, aligned it by instructions from this forum, but still engine refuse to start. Before dizzy, I also tried another set of rpm/crank pos. sensors with no positive results.

I find hard to believe that all 3 sensors are really failing, so does anyone have an idea what to check next ?
Do these 3 sensors maybe have common ground or something ? Where ?

Thanks,
Mario, Croatia

[BRY]

Try swinging the dizzy as you start the engine

[OrMar]

Try swinging the dizzy as you start the engine

I have no idea what you mean ? Swinging the dizzy as I start the engine ?
Please, explain ...


Thanks,
Mario

[BRY]

You have lined the marks up on the dizzy. The timing marks are not always bang on.
Turn the dizzy off the marks to one side. Then get someone else to try starting the engine as you move it back to the marks and to the other side.

[OrMar]

You have lined the marks up on the dizzy. The timing marks are not always bang on.
Turn the dizzy off the marks to one side. Then get someone else to try starting the engine as you move it back to the marks and to the other side.

I can do it without removing whole intake manifold? Do you have any link for the procedure?

Mario

[BRY]

Sorry, I don't have any links.
I know it works on 3b engines and it is hard to get to the dizzy, but there is a small "window" that the dizzy position needs to be in and you may be just outside it.

[kwlw]

I can do it without removing whole intake manifold? Do you have any link for the procedure?

http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/trouble_shooting/eng.html#tim

Scroll a bit low down, you will find proper distributor adjustment procedure.

Bry just suggested loosing the bolts, turning distributor body a bit when cranking, to find where the engine starts. When it starts (this means distributor in correct position), just secure the bolts and thats it .

Sau

[volcano rs]

Try swinging the dizzy as you start the engine

try swinging the dizzy

[OrMar]

Bry just suggested loosing the bolts, turning distributor body a bit when cranking, to find where the engine starts. When it starts (this means distributor in correct position), just secure the bolts and thats it .
Sau

Tried that, no results.
Any other idea ?

Mario

[Error404]

TDC pins on the flywheel ?

don't know if these engine have these like the 7a, pretty sure they do

[pixsaudisex2]

yes pins on fly wheel took about three months to find this was the problem on my mates 20v ..

[Error404]

i wonder can you check them by removing the starter motor and cranking the engine by hand?

[OrMar]

There's definitely 1 pin. Didn't know there should be more than one ?

Mario

[Error404]

i think there is supposed to be two