Is the 1.8T engine as strong as I5 engine?

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  • 1975DCS
    S2Forum Addict
    • Sep 2006
    • 258
    • Country: Netherlands

    #1

    Is the 1.8T engine as strong as I5 engine?

    I was having a chat with friends about some turbocharged engine and the following came up:

    The 5 cilinder engines have a very good reputation for having a very strong block, especially the block itself (the non rotating parts). We were wondering if the 180-225 bhp 1.8T is a good offspring of that...

    Yes there are some similarities, they all have the same bore etc. And yes there are differences, we know the newer 1.8T engines have improved electronics and smaller but quickers spooling turbo's and are more set up for smooth driving than big bhp.

    Maybe the rods are also stronger on the I5, but if fitted with the same pistons and rods, could a 1.8 still handle the same bhp per litre as the I5 engine? Maybe the walls and bearings are smaller because it is build more compact, making the engine more fragile? Maybe the casting of the block is less good? Maybe you need nikasil liners, like they do with high boosting Cossies and EVO's?

    Is anyone in the know? Anyone seen both engines in detail?

    Ps. in Rallycross there are several VAG engines (even after the Audi S1 and S2 days) running massive boost and get heavily abused. Some of those 4 pots are 20V, some are 16V. Some have dieselblocks, some were 1.8's rebuild to 2.0 (I guess) others are basicly 2.0. For the 2nd time in row Lars Larson with the Skoda Fabia with Trollspeed beat the highly developed Citroëns (Snobeck) and Fords (Trollspeed and Julian Godfrey). I don't know what engines are used in the WRC's (but they are build by Lehmann)...
  • gnutz2
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Aug 2006
    • 928
    • Country: England

    #2
    From experience i know the AGU 1.8t (which has the bigger inlet ports) can take around 300 ft/lb an d 350 hp, also this engine has foged mhale pistons as standard and i think this is true with all the forced induction 1.8t engines.

    As for serious grunt there is a certain company using gt35r turbos on the 1.8`s and touching 600hp (in a narrow rpm band), obviosly the internals are upgraded but i dont think the block has any support but im not sure.
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    • Animal Mother
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Jul 2007
      • 1135
      • Country: England

      #3
      I know of a few companies tuning them to 400bhp without changing internals.
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      • shark_90
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Mar 2007
        • 1475
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        I had a 1.8T Golf for a while and according to what I read on ukmkivs.net the AGU 1.8T was the strongest engine if you were going for big power.

        I don't know what they go up to though.
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        • 4WheelDrifter
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Oct 2004
          • 5773
          • Country: Devon

          #5
          I know APY (1.8T 210 PS) cranks don't like >600 Nm (440 lbs/ft). Mihnea has a BTDT.
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