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UrS6 - Homefry, Bailey DV, PiperX filter, Samco hoses, H&R springs, 3" D/P back zorst, 270bhp and 260ftlb :rock:
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I can believe in it for circumstances where someone has overoiled a K&N filter that has mooshed its way onto the hotwire filament, but the normal MAF cleaning sequence triggered by the ECU after shutdown by allowing a high temperature burn-off pulse is more than ample to clean off any normal road grime or dirty air that has made its way past a good filter. The ECU does this EVERY time you shut off the engine... Swilling it round in a pot of IPA once a quarter is going to have negligble gains - unless it is getting covered in so much oily filth on a regular basis that the burnoff sequence isn't good enough to clean it.
PaulPaul Nugent
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2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble
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I'd say doing it once to a MAF which is playing up is worth a shot as it may save you a good deal of cash.I can believe in it for circumstances where someone has overoiled a K&N filter that has mooshed its way onto the hotwire filament, but the normal MAF cleaning sequence triggered by the ECU after shutdown by allowing a high temperature burn-off pulse is more than ample to clean off any normal road grime or dirty air that has made its way past a good filter. The ECU does this EVERY time you shut off the engine... Swilling it round in a pot of IPA once a quarter is going to have negligble gains - unless it is getting covered in so much oily filth on a regular basis that the burnoff sequence isn't good enough to clean it.
PaulUrS6 - Homefry, Bailey DV, PiperX filter, Samco hoses, H&R springs, 3" D/P back zorst, 270bhp and 260ftlb :rock:
Triumph Daytona 955i - mmmmmm :fire:
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There are a load of S2's now with bad condition PCV systems and judging by the state of the pipes that are coming of the car, original mafs over time might be a bit oily.I can believe in it for circumstances where someone has overoiled a K&N filter that has mooshed its way onto the hotwire filament, but the normal MAF cleaning sequence triggered by the ECU after shutdown by allowing a high temperature burn-off pulse is more than ample to clean off any normal road grime or dirty air that has made its way past a good filter. The ECU does this EVERY time you shut off the engine... Swilling it round in a pot of IPA once a quarter is going to have negligble gains - unless it is getting covered in so much oily filth on a regular basis that the burnoff sequence isn't good enough to clean it.
Paul
However Paul is 100% right in that the MAF Bath is no real substitute for buying a new MAF!Comment
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Dead right as long as the MAF is faulty. If it's just dirty (due to PCV, K&N etc) then a clean would be just the ticket. Always worth trying as the first thing to do before spending hard earned money IMHO!
UrS6 - Homefry, Bailey DV, PiperX filter, Samco hoses, H&R springs, 3" D/P back zorst, 270bhp and 260ftlb :rock:
Triumph Daytona 955i - mmmmmm :fire:
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Your completely missing the point as usual. if it playing up it needs replacing.Comment
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Well IMO - the oily fumes from the PCV shouldn't really get a chance to get as far as the MAF. Yes they are sucked into the inlet side of the large pipe that goes to intake side of the compressor. That hose is always under vacuum and so the atmospheric pressure (even in lift off condition) from the ambient side of the airbox and MAF will have the effect of preventing those fumes coming back up the MAF pipe and across the hotwire filament.
Maybe I'm not visualising what JAmo is trying to explain here, but I can't see how PCV fumes would get near the MAF - unless the PCV system was so failed that positive boost pressure was forcing fumes back up the MAF pipe. That would be weird.
Of course the TBV blows a proportion of boost pressure back into the MAF pipe during gear changes - maybe that is enough to cough some oily crap back up the spout.
It would be a very different matter if the MAF was relocated to be placed on the compressor outlet and the factory PCV system was retained. That would always circulate the PCV fumes through the MAF.
I really must get a proper venting and catch tank or drainback setup on the S2. It is amazing how big a spoonful of oil sits at the bottom of the intercooler and I am loathe to fit my RS2 IC on there until I have that solved. That will clean up the air into the engine and bring down air temps at the same time.
PaulPaul Nugent
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1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble
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for info, the PO had cleaned the MAF. the thing was spotless, unlike the used one we swapped in (no offence mate
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I've seen the posts on dodgy connectors, disconnecting, cleaning etc of my connector has done nothing to improve the situation.
even when i didn't experience the bucking under full throttle, the car has allways felt a bit hesitant going through the rev range and frequently get the fault codes i mentioned. now-smooth, more power and no fault codes since the swap.Comment
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Paul Nugent
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1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble
Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)
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Please keep a hold of that dodgy MAF - I want to get a few tested and get some benchmarking done so that I can build up more useful info on how to spot a duff one. Generally speaking their output voltage decreases with age and degraded accuracy. They can be recalibrated by specialists - or tested to the point that it indicates a recal wont fix it and a new one is required.for info, the PO had cleaned the MAF. the thing was spotless, unlike the used one we swapped in (no offence mate
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I've seen the posts on dodgy connectors, disconnecting, cleaning etc of my connector has done nothing to improve the situation.
even when i didn't experience the bucking under full throttle, the car has allways felt a bit hesitant going through the rev range and frequently get the fault codes i mentioned. now-smooth, more power and no fault codes since the swap.
PAulPaul Nugent
Webmaster http://S2central.net
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1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble
Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)
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Surely one of the electronics boffins on here would be able to make a plug in tester utilising a MAF connector block which automatically reads resistance, voltage etc in order to test the MAF. I know some of you guys are technical wizards!Please keep a hold of that dodgy MAF - I want to get a few tested and get some benchmarking done so that I can build up more useful info on how to spot a duff one. Generally speaking their output voltage decreases with age and degraded accuracy. They can be recalibrated by specialists - or tested to the point that it indicates a recal wont fix it and a new one is required.
PAul
UrS6 - Homefry, Bailey DV, PiperX filter, Samco hoses, H&R springs, 3" D/P back zorst, 270bhp and 260ftlb :rock:
Triumph Daytona 955i - mmmmmm :fire:
80 dag dag :driving:
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Jamo,
You can be quite an "expert" sometimes, check out your posts below, MATE!
You seem to have taken a dislike to anything I say on here when a good deal of the time I am in fact repeating something you have said previously.
Think before you comment next time and learn to fear the SEARCH FUNCTION! :mischeif:
Originally posted by JamoAudible leaks, how was was this check done?
You need to pressure test the intake system as it sounds like overboost protection.
1) Pressure test the system for leaks
2) Get the Mark H intercooler mod installed on the Intercooler (look in Been There Done That section BTDT) as your bound to have a leaky O-Ring
3) Clean MAFOriginally posted by JamoThe hunting idle, will be the idle stabilisation valve, probably needs a good cleaning with WD40.
Also i'd clean the MAF with IPA before changing the Lambda IMHO
You'll be annoyed if you parted with alot of money for something you didnt need.
Give them a whirl, if it doesn't work then look at LambdaUrS6 - Homefry, Bailey DV, PiperX filter, Samco hoses, H&R springs, 3" D/P back zorst, 270bhp and 260ftlb :rock:
Triumph Daytona 955i - mmmmmm :fire:
80 dag dag :driving:
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Peace guys... Back to the plot - the resistance values on the MAF components are laser trimmed. The info I have on S2central is just a guideline - not an exact science.
As for electrical boffins - I have a BEng in Electronics Systems and a PgD in Digital Signal Processing but that doesn't make it easy or cost-effective to create a more reliable way to test the MAF. It is a very delicate device that needs to be calibrated. The only place I know that can do it in the UK - has the knowhow, an appropriate flowbench and whatnot is JDS Porsche. I exchanged emails last year with the dude there - nice guy - but I never found time to have a good chat and move things forward properly with S2/RS2 specific tests but I'll get there sometime this quarter - work committments permitting.
PaulPaul Nugent
Webmaster http://S2central.net
Administrator http://S2forum.com
1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble
Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)
There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't
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Sounds like you could het into a whole world of hurt trying to fully test them yourself.Peace guys... Back to the plot - the resistance values on the MAF components are laser trimmed. The info I have on S2central is just a guideline - not an exact science.
As for electrical boffins - I have a BEng in Electronics Systems and a PgD in Digital Signal Processing but that doesn't make it easy or cost-effective to create a more reliable way to test the MAF. It is a very delicate device that needs to be calibrated. The only place I know that can do it in the UK - has the knowhow, an appropriate flowbench and whatnot is JDS Porsche. I exchanged emails last year with the dude there - nice guy - but I never found time to have a good chat and move things forward properly with S2/RS2 specific tests but I'll get there sometime this quarter - work committments permitting.
Paul
UrS6 - Homefry, Bailey DV, PiperX filter, Samco hoses, H&R springs, 3" D/P back zorst, 270bhp and 260ftlb :rock:
Triumph Daytona 955i - mmmmmm :fire:
80 dag dag :driving:
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