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  • DarrenM
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Aug 2007
    • 1227
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Car turning over but not starting

    Went to fire her up yesterday but she's just turning over and not catching. Havent had chance to have a good play but what are the usual symptoms? Cam/Hall sender?

    I had this on my V6 and luckly Carlos up the road had a spare knocking around that cured it.

    Car is not with me at the mo but where is the exact position on ABY?

    cheers
  • Dpicariello
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Mar 2006
    • 621
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    I had this about a year ago. It was the cam hall sender which is in the worst possible place behind the cam sprocket.

    Here's the thread I made during the saga

    Hall sender replacement

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    • Rusty
      Super Moderator
      • Jun 2004
      • 18953
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      There's also the crank sensor, I've had problems with this.
      Cheers'en, AndyC
      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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      • Flat on my back
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Jan 2007
        • 2449
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Oh pooo...

        Got a 2 channel scope if ya need some probing done...you need to make an appointment though, as i'm booked for fixing a friends alarm system (house) in the next few days...should have been a plumber...
        Carlos.

        On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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        • DarrenM
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Aug 2007
          • 1227
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          cheers guys, that Hall sender thread sounds a right pain the in ****, didnt know they were so tucked away. where's the crankshaft sensor btw?

          Carlos, yeah, could prob do with a second pair of eyes if you're free at all.

          cheers

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          • Rusty
            Super Moderator
            • Jun 2004
            • 18953
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Down on the gearbox where it mates to the engine, about level with the ABS pump.
            Cheers'en, AndyC
            1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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            • UrS4boy
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Feb 2006
              • 11859
              • Country: Canada

              #7
              Originally posted by DarrenM
              Went to fire her up yesterday but she's just turning over and not catching. Havent had chance to have a good play but what are the usual symptoms? Cam/Hall sender?

              Car is not with me at the mo but where is the exact position on ABY?
              cheers
              The two most likely suspects are the fuel pump and the cam position sender (CPS).
              A CPS failure will throw a code (blink code 2113 for the AAN probably the same for the ABY).

              How to blink out the codes

              If you get the 2113, then you know the answer = CPS

              Link to info about the CPS

              The CPS is very important because without a signal, the fuel pump relay is not triggered, and as a result, neither are the injectors, etc.

              Link to the importance of the CPS to triggering the J17 FP relay.

              Link to one CPS replacement prodcedure

              Link to a complete pictoral on CPS replacement (on an AAN) using the group buy BBHME301.

              Of course, if you don't get any codes, it still could be the CPS but it could also be the fuel pump.

              Here is a procedure to check the fuel pump on an AAN (you can use the same idea).

              It's very unlikely that it's the crank sensor.
              RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
              94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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              • DarrenM
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Aug 2007
                • 1227
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Nice one, those links are well useful and much detailed pic wise.

                cheers for that

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                • pixsaudisex2
                  S2Forum Possessed
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 3110

                  #9
                  mine did this the other day it was the fuel pump can you hear it running.

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                  • DarrenM
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 1227
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    I'll check laterz, what am i listening for a "whirrr" noise when ign' switched on?

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                    • pixsaudisex2
                      S2Forum Possessed
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 3110

                      #11
                      yeah and when cranking ( dont know where the fuel pump is on a coupe though but get somebody to turn the key and put your head near you should hear it easily) an year a wirrrrrrrring noise.

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                      • S2central.net
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 16590
                        • Country: Northern Ireland

                        #12
                        Yes and no... The fuel pump only runs when the engine is running - the relay is controlled by the ECU.

                        You can test quickly if the cam hall sensor is working with an LED (same one as for blink tests) by placing it across pin 2 and 3 on the 3-pin connector at the sensor - you should see it blink when you crank the engine... One blink for every two crank revs.

                        You will need a scope to see if the signal is the right shape and occurs at right time wrt crankshaft position signal. Search for that here and you'll see scope plots I captured - sorry just not had time to write this all up properly on s2central...
                        Paul Nugent
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                        • Flat on my back
                          S2Forum Fiend
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 2449
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          Btdt...

                          To be continued...
                          Carlos.

                          On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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                          • Jas11n
                            S2Forum Zealot
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 5067
                            • Country: England

                            #14
                            Agree above as Paul says. You can't hear the fuel pump when just turning the ignition on. Other models of the era primed their pumps, but not the I5 20vT.
                            If you can hear a "whirring" noise, it'll be your aux water pump.
                            2001 Avus Silver B5 RS4.
                            2004 A4 Avant 1.8T quattro Sport-LE.
                            1995 S2 Coupe - sold (sniff)

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                            • Bowlerwell
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 1052
                              • Country: Scotland

                              #15
                              If it's the Hall Sender it should pop up on VAG com.
                              John Bowlerwell
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