problem with vacuum hoses on 7A

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  • Tom_
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Oct 2007
    • 1301
    • Country: Czech Republic

    #1

    problem with vacuum hoses on 7A

    do you know somebody,where i can find any scheme with a all vacuum hoses on 7A ?because i dont know all vacuum hoses,and previous owner was/is/will be fckin idiot





    look on the hoses,looks horrible and damaged,and i trying to find a problem with the engine "idle"
    Audi Coupe Quattro 2.3 20V
  • Flat on my back
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Jan 2007
    • 2449
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
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    The parts with the blue arrows pointing at them need to fit together. This is the vacumn line from the throttle body to the Fuel Pressure Regulator.

    The red arrowed part must stay sealed.

    The green arrows are pointing at the hose for the ISV, Idle Stabilization Valve...the silver round thingy...remove and clean with carb cleaner.

    Be a good idea to clean your throttle body as well...
    Attached Files
    Carlos.

    On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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    • Error404
      Super Moderator
      • Mar 2007
      • 19789
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Reconnect those two arrowed parts in the first pic as Mr Flat_on_his_back said. It looks like your crank case breather pipe is missing - that should be connected to the red arrowed hose: Its the red bit in this pic:



      In addition toe cleaning the throttle body and ICV, i'd replace all the small bore vacuum hoses, they are probably pretty old and probably cracked and split.


      Doing all the above stuff should help you sort the idle problem
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      • Tom_
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Oct 2007
        • 1301
        • Country: Czech Republic

        #4
        cleaned TB
        before

        after


        that black line in TB is only shadow

        that red hose is from air hose to what?


        ICV is this?if yes,i clean it and working good
        Last edited by Tom_; 3 December 2008, 12:09.
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        • Flat on my back
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          • Jan 2007
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          #5
          Yep.

          That is the ISV...

          The red line is the connection from the 'sump breather' back to the inlet manifiold and the large rubber inlet hose...corrugated thingy.

          It's part of the emissions control system...hot oil gases are drawn back into the engine throught the inlet manfold on a closed throttle, or both inlet manifold and throttle body whilst driving.

          Does it idle ok at hot or cold? Maybe lambda probe or coolant sensor, but get the hoses sorted first.

          Carlos.

          On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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          • Tom_
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            • Oct 2007
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            #6
            Originally posted by Flat on my back
            That is the ISV...

            The red line is the connection from the 'sump breather' back to the inlet manifiold and the large rubber inlet hose...corrugated thingy.

            It's part of the emissions control system...hot oil gases are drawn back into the engine throught the inlet manfold on a closed throttle, or both inlet manifold and throttle body whilst driving.

            Does it idle ok at hot or cold? Maybe lambda probe or coolant sensor, but get the hoses sorted first.

            idle is ok only on cold engine,when is hot they do what i write upstairs
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            • Flat on my back
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              • Jan 2007
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              #7
              Tom.

              Not quite sure what you mean...

              Wish i could speak Czech...

              If the problem only happens when the engine is hot i would really suspect the coolant sensor...located at the back of the block...not the one hanging off the cam cover (nice in red i may say).
              Carlos.

              On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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              • Tom_
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                • Oct 2007
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                #8
                yes problem is only when the engine is hot.


                yeah my english sucks,i dont know the technican words
                Last edited by Tom_; 3 December 2008, 15:55.
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                • Tom_
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                  • Oct 2007
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                  #9


                  here is the idle,but without sound,but u see what it is doing

                  lambda is new , injectors are good,
                  Last edited by Tom_; 4 December 2008, 10:25.
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                  • stiglet
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                    • Aug 2007
                    • 1264
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                    #10
                    You may well have a vacuum leak somewhere still. Mine does this a little and I know for certain that I have more leaks than I have points on my license.

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                    • mcandmar
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                      • Apr 2004
                      • 5118
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                      #11
                      Best way to find an air leak is to follow the manual for base idle speed adjustment, unplug the ISV, Purge Valve, and plug the crank case breather. Idle speed should be 800-850rpms. If not disconnect each vacuum line at a time and plug the holes until you find the leak.

                      I found the best setting was a slightly lower idle speed of 750-800rpms and then let the ECU/ISV raise it back up the normal speed. If the base idle is set too low the engine will stall under sudden load, most commonly when you clutch in and wind on full steering lock. If the base idle is too high the engine will always run around 1000rpms and the ECU will struggle to keep a constant idle speed.

                      Just make sure you find any leaks before you adjust the base idle speed screw, otherwise you will end up going around in circles making things worse.

                      I'd also recommend you check the idle switch on the throttle body, you should be able to hear it click when the throttle is closed. I had to replace a throttle body as the top linkage was so worn it wasn't holding the throttle plate closed. You can test the idle switch by connecting a multimeter to the plug on top of the throttle body, then from inside the car open and close the throttle and make sure the switch closes every time. One of those audible continuity testers makes life much easier.

                      Mark

                      P.S. If you run a 5-1 manifold without a heat shield the life expectancy of the switch is about six months
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                      • stiglet
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                        • Aug 2007
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                        #12
                        Definately will give that a try

                        Purge valve?

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                        • mcandmar
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                          • Apr 2004
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                          #13
                          The valve for the carbon cannister, just behind the radiator. I think early cars had a single black one, later cars had two of them (black and blue).
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                          • stiglet
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                            • Aug 2007
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                            #14
                            Hmmm... didn't even know the 7A had one! Cheers.

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                            • Tom_
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                              • Oct 2007
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                              #15
                              do you have a foto where i find the valve?
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