S2 won't go faster than 265 km/h

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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #31
    A 200bhp 80 Avant doing 260kph = ********
    It is just not physically possible - I'll bet the speedo is way off on that. It should be struggling to hit 150mph (238kph - so a 10% error easily explains that)
    Paul Nugent
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    2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #32
      That 80 Avant - for the record - if it is quattro then it will struggle to make 150mph... but obviously drivetrain losses will be lower if she is FWD - however... Needs to be down in very low 5% territory for 260kph - I still say the speedo is reading high on this.
      Paul Nugent
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      1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
      2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
      2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

      Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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      • driftin jo
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Sep 2007
        • 2222
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #33
        Originally posted by quattrostyle
        ow well I may be a little upset in this

        I have a couple of friends with some fast cars that reach 260+ quite easy with less hp. There is one with 80 Avant 2.8 30V with about 200 hp, another with a 325 E36 coupe they both do 260 km/h and there is one with a E36 M3 286 hp. that does 280+

        It's not that hard to see how fast your going at that speed but in this case I had a camera attached to my steering wheel.
        And then they all woke up and had their cornflakes

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        • quattro84
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Mar 2006
          • 947
          • Country: Netherlands

          #34
          @ S2central: Rho gives the density of the air. You are driving through air and not yorkshire pudding, indian curry, or pure helium.

          Another rather big aspect in therms of losses is the rolling resistance, Fr~m*g*mu, with m being mass in kg, g the gravitational acceleration, and mu surface roughness. It is speed dependant.
          Hysteresis in the tires are what make these losses and are quite obviously noticable when you touch the tires after a run on the freeway . Another aspect of losses is acceleration, and last is driving up a light slope. Bearing losses are in the drivetrain losses.

          At 265km/h (~74m/s) makes 158kW which is about 215Hp, rolling resistance is good for another 15-20hp, so 235 at the wheels makes 282hp at the crank with a factor 1,2 for drivetrain losses.

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #35
            Yes - I understand 'rho' well enough... threw me at first though... I agree with your calcs above - I made it 19bhp rolling resistance and ~280bhp total estimate.
            Good thread - applied physics - but why they never made it this interesting when I was a teenager at school I shall never know.
            Paul Nugent
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            1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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            • quattrostyle
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Oct 2006
              • 6229
              • Country: Netherlands

              #36
              Originally posted by S2central.net
              A 200bhp 80 Avant doing 260kph = ********
              It is just not physically possible - I'll bet the speedo is way off on that. It should be struggling to hit 150mph (238kph - so a 10% error easily explains that)
              well 'she' is a FWD and I bet it will have 10% error or so, but it's coilovered and has RS2 bumpers and wing mirrors maybe that helps a little bit

              @driftin jo I never seen one of them eat cornflakes, will ask if they do though.

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              • quattrostyle
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Oct 2006
                • 6229
                • Country: Netherlands

                #37
                well they don't eat cornflakes.

                Will do a run next week with GPS.

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                • Ross
                  S2Forum Possessed
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 3399
                  • Country: England

                  #38
                  I would suggest you get them all to do a GPS run as well for comparison... I had my coupe at 165mph, it probably had another 5mph in it as it was a very slight gradient. That was on H+R/Bilstein at the time, don't know the power but it was most likely 300hp at the time, give or take a few pence, so similar to yours...
                  AUDI - saving Dad's from minivans since 1994

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                  • quattrostyle
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 6229
                    • Country: Netherlands

                    #39
                    I guess dropping the car slightly would improve top speed a little bit. We will do a test drive with the 3 of us at the same time (if traffic allows us)

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                    • Quattro Ayes
                      S2Forum Enthusiast
                      • May 2008
                      • 112
                      • Country: Denmark

                      #40
                      Am I the only one noticing that the km doesn't move a bit? Maybe something is wrong with your speedometer.?

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                      • quattrostyle
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 6229
                        • Country: Netherlands

                        #41
                        Yeah I know km. counter works now and then, speedo is working okay as always.

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