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  • s2driveruk
    Super Moderator
    • Jul 2003
    • 12696
    • Country: England

    #1

    poor starting

    Anyone point me in the right direction, seems my car sort of stumbles into life rather than a crisp couple of cranks then fires.

    Changed the plugs recently and still seems to be the case on a cold start? Plugs were dry and so were lead ends and tubes when I swapped them out

    Presuming a sensor or something else which identifies rotation and firing position could be amiss.

    Thanks,
    David
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    1992 3b S2 Coupe
  • max_s2
    S2Forum Addict
    • Mar 2006
    • 498
    • Country: Latvia

    #2
    coolant temp sensor?

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    • Nace20
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Jul 2007
      • 721
      • Country: Slovenia

      #3
      Originally posted by lv_max
      coolant temp sensor?
      which one ? on the head or on water rail ?
      S2 limo

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      • max_s2
        S2Forum Addict
        • Mar 2006
        • 498
        • Country: Latvia

        #4
        Could be the one on the head, or maybe MFTS. I dont know exactly witch one on a 3B is used for fuel calculations when cold/hot etc.

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        • s2driveruk
          Super Moderator
          • Jul 2003
          • 12696
          • Country: England

          #5
          actually the one on the back is the one i havent replaced so could be a suspect. Also fan failed to run the other night, cant remember if that is linked to the mtfs?
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          1992 3b S2 Coupe

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          • max_s2
            S2Forum Addict
            • Mar 2006
            • 498
            • Country: Latvia

            #6
            I think thats a yes. MFTS ir also for fan.
            You can mesure resistance of coolat sensor. When engine cold (ambient aprox 20C), resistance must be between 1.5-3Kohm. If totaly out of this range - must be replaced.

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            • max_s2
              S2Forum Addict
              • Mar 2006
              • 498
              • Country: Latvia

              #7
              Opz.. MFTS is not for fan. For fan is the one that is screwed in to the radiator. One of MFTS function is to reduce boost (turn off N75 basicly) if engine is too hot.

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              • Knight Rider S4
                S2Forum Possessed
                • Mar 2005
                • 3541
                • Country: Scotland

                #8
                I'd give the dizzy cap a good clean(remove carbon deposits on contact points ) and make sure the rotor arm end is nice and clean , see if that helps
                93 S2 Avant Parting
                91 URQ RR
                02 A4 tdi Avant

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                • popdemonic
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 1304
                  • Country: Thailand

                  #9
                  IIRC if the coolant temp sensor failed.You may hook up on the CC to see what does the ECU read the on the coolant temp.
                  one of a few I5 from Asia.

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                  • Error404
                    Super Moderator
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 19789
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    PM me your address David, i've got a known good rad switch you can have to see if that helps with your rad fan problem
                    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                    Indigo ABY coupé
                    Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                    • s2driveruk
                      Super Moderator
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 12696
                      • Country: England

                      #11
                      Alex, you're a gent and you have mail
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                      1992 3b S2 Coupe

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                      • 4WheelDrifter
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 5773
                        • Country: Devon

                        #12
                        Checking the resistance of the G62 would be a good start.
                        s2central.net for more info.
                        SS

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                        • s2driveruk
                          Super Moderator
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 12696
                          • Country: England

                          #13
                          good call, cleaned up the contacts on G62 and she now starts crisply again, thanks guys

                          next step....bloody fan again. cleaned the contacts on the thermo plug at the base of main rad but still nothing so i'll have to drain down and pull it out and see from there. gives me the chance to put on new longer wires and the correct multiplug connector block i have too.
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                          1992 3b S2 Coupe

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                          • UrS4boy
                            S2Forum Obsessed
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 11859
                            • Country: Canada

                            #14
                            G62 Coolant Temperature Sensor Info for future ref

                            Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
                            Checking the resistance of the G62 would be a good start.
                            s2central.net for more info.
                            If the G62 coolant temperature sender is broken, the ECU may "think" its cold out all the time, leading to higher duty cycles on the injectors and, therefore, rich runnng conditions (which, by the way, can burn out the catalytic convertors) and poor fuel economy. Part No. is 035 919 369 M (KATE calls it a thermal switch - No. 9 Illustration 919-65 (A10Q, 1993))

                            The G62 is a temperature-influenced variable resistance. The AAN ECU drives out a voltage (5? 12?) to the G62 via ECU pin T45/55 via a Grey with Brown stripe (GY/BR) wire. The return current is returned to ECU ground pin 30 (presumably via a brown wire).

                            From Bentley, the G62 (Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)) sensor test procedure is as follows:

                            Allow the engine to cool to room temp (68F/20C)
                            Disconnect ECT sensor from harness connector
                            Switch multimeter to resistance range
                            Connect multimeter to terminals 1 and 2 of the ECT
                            Resistance must be 1500 to 3000 ohms

                            IF NO = replace ECT
                            IF YES = check wiring between sensor and ECM (ECU)

                            Reference: Bentley pg. J28-22
                            RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                            94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                            • s2driveruk
                              Super Moderator
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 12696
                              • Country: England

                              #15
                              anyone have a known good G62 I could check with, beginning to suspect this little chappy as part of the problem with saturday's performance issues

                              cheers
                              David
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                              1992 3b S2 Coupe

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