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  • Doug_RS2
    S2Forum Possessed
    • Jul 2003
    • 3847
    • Home: Scotland Current: England

    #1

    Better Spark Plugs and hesitations

    Does anyone know what the high power 5 cylinder turbo cars are using as better spark plugs? The cars with more than 400bhp.

    I am getting a hesitation at high load and high rpm.

    I have tried 2 new sets of the standard bosch plugs. We tried to run higher boost in my car but got this in most gears, so the boost was backed off but it is still there in 5th and 6th gears.

    I am trying a different set of coilpacks and amplifiers to see if this is the problem. I have new HT rubber boots fitted.

    Any other suggestions? Do coil packs tend to stop working like this? I will check my fuel pressure at at these conditions as well - in case that is fluctuating.

    Thanks
    S2,RS2,S4 WB,RS4,S4 B8,RS6 C5,RS6 C6,R8
  • Doug_RS2
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    • Jul 2003
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    #2
    This sounds very similar to my problem:

    S2,RS2,S4 WB,RS4,S4 B8,RS6 C5,RS6 C6,R8

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    • Jamo
      Retired OG Mod
      • Mar 2004
      • 21750
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      NGK Denso Iridium plugs is what i used to use in my other cars.

      You'll probably have to go for a colder plug though, letme see if i can find my old weblink. http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/t...chw5a-y6dc.htm

      Thats the Bosch to NGK guide and on that website and it came back with the following.


      Results:
      No. Of Plugs: 5
      Gap (mm): 0.7
      Additional: Incl. S2 MODEL

      Standard/Platinum spark plugs
      Part No. Price £ per plug Qty. Buy
      PFR7B 10.47 5

      Iridium spark plugs
      Part No. Price £ per plug Qty. Buy
      BKR7EIX 8.14 5

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      • GandalfS6
        S2Forum Addict
        • Jan 2004
        • 332
        • Country: South Africa

        #4
        @Doug - I changed my plugs to NGK Iridium BKR8EIX (one level colder) and they work beautifully! I also got them from www.sparkplugs.co.uk. Apparently the Denso plugs give even better performance (they are thinner) but does not last long. I went for the NGK's as I never heard of Denso before (I do see them advertising on the Toyota F1 cars now a days.)

        By the sounds of your mods, you must definitely not use the 7 heat grade - wheter you use platinum or idirium plugs. You might even want to try 8 and 9 to see which is best. I assume there must be a way to calculate what the right plug is after mods - there must be somebody on here that can work it out!
        1995 Silver S2 (ADU) Coupe
        2006 Porsche 997 Carrera S
        2006 Misano Red RS4
        2004 VW Touareg V8
        2007 Golf Mk1 Race Car
        2004 Mercedes Benz Vito 112CD

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        • Doug_RS2
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          • Jul 2003
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          #5
          I don't understand the colder levels - can someone explain that?
          S2,RS2,S4 WB,RS4,S4 B8,RS6 C5,RS6 C6,R8

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          • GandalfS6
            S2Forum Addict
            • Jan 2004
            • 332
            • Country: South Africa

            #6
            Originally posted by Doug_RS2
            I don't understand the colder levels - can someone explain that?
            From www.sparkplugs.co.uk:

            Q2. My engine has been tuned/modified, do I need a colder/hotter plug?
            A2. You should consult your engine tuner who should be able to advise you on the correct heat range to get the best from your engine. As a general rule, an engine may benefit from a colder grade of plug where modifications made have increased the temperature in the combustion chamber (increased turbo boost, nitrous oxide use, increased compression)

            I am sure I saw a post here where Mihnea was talking about the right EGT's.

            HTH
            Last edited by GandalfS6; 28 June 2004, 08:17.
            1995 Silver S2 (ADU) Coupe
            2006 Porsche 997 Carrera S
            2006 Misano Red RS4
            2004 VW Touareg V8
            2007 Golf Mk1 Race Car
            2004 Mercedes Benz Vito 112CD

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            • porkkis
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Aug 2003
              • 1994
              • Country: Finland

              #7
              Note that some plug companies use higher numbers for colder plugs and some use lower numbers for colder ones!
              -

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              • Doug_RS2
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                • Jul 2003
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                • Home: Scotland Current: England

                #8
                But Mihnea keeps the EGT temps to approximatley the same temperature - he doesn't run the higher power cars hotter than lower power cars. Does this mean we should stick with the standard temp rating of plugs?

                I would still like to see what the 500bhp+ cars are actually using.
                S2,RS2,S4 WB,RS4,S4 B8,RS6 C5,RS6 C6,R8

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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Doug_RS2
                  But Mihnea keeps the EGT temps to approximatley the same temperature - he doesn't run the higher power cars hotter than lower power cars. Does this mean we should stick with the standard temp rating of plugs?

                  I would still like to see what the 500bhp+ cars are actually using.
                  Think of it as an upgrade inline with the rest of your car, the biggest issue is that with increase boost/bhp then the plug should be colder to help prevent detonation. The BKR8EIX would be perfect for your needs, as was said before maybe 9EIX but i would try one grade at time.



                  Sparkplugs.co.uk is a fantastic site and you can email them for advice as well. They are the ones who pointed me to a colder plug in my last application and it works a treat.



                  That link explains better than i can the hot/cold plug rating.

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