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  • s2_wot
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Aug 2006
    • 2178

    #16
    Alternator?

    Jamo, I think your alternator could be knackered. My s2 stopped exactly as described above and with the alternator reconditioned it didn't do the same again. Reading your other thread I think it would be worth a bench test to eliminate it.
    HTH, Shane
    Shane

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    • madpugger
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Sep 2007
      • 1901
      • Country: Scotland

      #17
      I would suspect power to the injectors in that the ECU is putting out the pulse but the injectors are not pulsing.

      As said you have a spark, so the hall sender must be fine. Also, that wouldn't have cut it out while driving. As it is all the injectors i would think it is a common power that has gone, either a fuse blown or corrosion around the fuse blade etc.

      Le Mans 2012
      Nurburgring 700
      1995 S2 Avant

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      • s2carlo
        S2Forum Addict
        • Aug 2003
        • 252
        • Country: Netherlands

        #18
        Hi Jamo,

        hope you don't have the same thing I had.
        Mine also just cut out and wasn't restartable although everything was available.

        Turned out the spline on one of the pullys broke out and immediatly got stuck again.
        Causing the timing to be slightly of.
        No power, no glory!
        S4 Avant, 2003, K&N-filter, 18", RNS-E, enough audio

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        • s2avant
          S2Forum Fiend
          • Jul 2003
          • 2426

          #19
          Injector fuse would be my starting point. Especially after my recent similar problem with the V8. RAC did all the tests they did on your and it turned out the fuse was hanging out of the fuse holder. It was in just enough to make contact but when it fired the fuse moved and it cut out again. It makes a pretty effective immobiliser for when it's parked in the less desirable parts of town.

          Ben
          the best intentions are fraught with disappointment - gil grissom

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          1994 ABY Avant - it's getting there

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          • GazzaG60
            S2Forum Freak
            • Mar 2007
            • 4133
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #20
            jamo.

            whem on motronic i never had a can sensor issue.

            my first fail. gunning up a hill went for 5th and it felt like a wobble so lifted off. tried to start it again. only just started and died. fail cam sensor 1. original part

            second time. cruisnig same hill after a quick smoking of a 2.7tdi A5. i short shifted lol. and it did the same. tried everything. changed the cam sensor again. endfed up being a snapped cam between lobes on 7a ex cam cyl4. miricle of no engine damage.

            does it start, try to start, start and stumble. is it fueling, sparking.

            id take a look at the 2nd vr crank polarity switch too.

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            • Jamo
              Retired OG Mod
              • Mar 2004
              • 21750
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #21
              As there is no pulsewidth to the injectors it doesn't try to start just turns over. I

              'm wondering if my new injectors draw more current than the old ones.

              My battery is flat so now have to charge it up before can progress. Will check injector fuse at lunch time

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              • AndyP
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Feb 2004
                • 6049
                • Country: England

                #22
                You had me worried when I saw the thread title, I thought you'd crashed it

                Anyway, you've said that you've being having problems with the battery charging recently, does the VEMS ECU have any sort of undervoltage protection, i.e. it will shut down or not work properly if the supply voltage drops below a certain point?
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                1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
                1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
                1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  It expects 12 volts to it and I know from reading the VEMS wiki strange things happen under 11 volts.

                  The RAC man had his jump leads connected up to the car so I was seeing 13v with the ignition off during cranking. I've found an injector test routine in VEMSTUNE which allows you to turn on or off the individual injectors.

                  I had an expected phone call from Finland with Repo offering some great advice, most unexpected and appreciated

                  Thanks all, I've got a few things to try and I'll post back up once I've had a chance to looked them over

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                  • Jamo
                    Retired OG Mod
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 21750
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    Gold stars for Terrybullwon, A4kQuattro & S2avant the issue was caused by a blown 15 amp fuse in holder 28

                    Worth noting in future that this fuse is for the injectors, it's the right hand fuse of the two fuses covered with the red motor cap.

                    Any suggestions as to why this blow? was only doing 30 mph on cruise when it happened?

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                    • S2 Ant
                      S2Forum Possessed
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 3682
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      Glad you found the issue mate, i thought the same as Andy and was expecting to see a mangled car!

                      Fuse blowing could be a number of things - do they require more power than the original injectors? If not then possibly a short somewhere? These would most likely show themselves again if you replace it and it goes not long after. A break in the wire might earth out over a bump or something perhaps.

                      Replace it and keep a spare handy and see how it goes i guess - at least its nothing serious after all the work!!!
                      Ant

                      2007 Mk5 Golf GTi, 3 door, DSG, REVO Stg 2 and other goodies
                      2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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                      • Jamo
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 21750
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        I'm wondering if it's in relation to the audspeed controller I removed..

                        I have a couple of batch of fuse boxes in the car, when I originally bought it it had a different set of HID's on the car which kept blowing the fuses so I stuck them on my old Coupe and they worked fine, way of the world

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                        • GazzaG60
                          S2Forum Freak
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 4133
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #27
                          good to hear jamo

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                          • PeteUr
                            S2Forum Addict
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 331
                            • Country: Togo

                            #28
                            Glad you got it sorted mate


                            Sapphire cos running custom 2.8litre conversion,es cos rims,raven black leather interior and 500+ with the gas turned off.

                            Audi s2 cooking on gas

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                            • Jamo
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 21750
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #29
                              Thanks for all the advice folks, easiest fix I've done in years

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