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  • TDHAA
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • Feb 2005
    • 62
    • Country: Netherlands

    #1

    What caused this ?!?

    I took out the pistons and this is what they look like.
    I bought them new and drove them for about 600 miles.

    When i tested my new big reds,hard breaking/clutch down
    the engine gave up on me,and when i let the clutch go to get it going again i heard the familiar crank/conrodbearingproblem

    1 piston has the bad upper ring.

    Fitted them brandnew and havent got a clue what caused this.

    Is the pistonring causing the crank/conrodbearing failure?
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  • AndyP
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Feb 2004
    • 6049
    • Country: England

    #2
    Looks like the chrome has come off the ring and that knife edge on the valve pocket should have been removed at manufacturing as it's a known problem that it can melt.
    What sort of pistons & rings are they?
    sigpic
    1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
    1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
    1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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    • Jamo
      Retired OG Mod
      • Mar 2004
      • 21750
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Are they custom pistons? If they are then the valve pocket need to be machined down as those cause hotspots causing the piston to melt.

      See http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5523

      I had mine machined down by JE just like that thread so it would not occur

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      • TDHAA
        S2Forum Fanatic
        • Feb 2005
        • 62
        • Country: Netherlands

        #4
        They are the Mahle IMSA pistons.
        Attached Files
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        • TDHAA
          S2Forum Fanatic
          • Feb 2005
          • 62
          • Country: Netherlands

          #5
          Originally posted by Jamo
          Are they custom pistons? If they are then the valve pocket need to be machined down as those cause hotspots causing the piston to melt.

          See http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5523

          I had mine machined down by JE just like that thread so it would not occur
          Thanks man,the thread figured it out for me.
          I will send them back hoping they can be saved.

          Still questionmarks with the ringproblem/bearingfailure though..


          I hope you'll get your S2 running again soon
          Back@audi

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          • GT500
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Jun 2006
            • 2181
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Sounds like you got oil surge under braking!

            More oil and baffles needed!
            Rob..
            94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
            87 UR 20v ABY
            97 S6 Avant
            96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
            1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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            • caterpillar
              S2Forum Fiend
              • Jun 2004
              • 2480

              #7
              you may have the ignition /coil problem... then you have some detonations/ then you get bearingsproblem, then pistonsproblem... then you have the gone engine...
              if you arent sure/ change the ignitionsparts, all of them

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              • repo
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Dec 2004
                • 893
                • Country: Finland

                #8
                Looks like detonation to me. It can cause all these issues, melting, chrome chipping, bearing problem.
                Everything less than 2 bar is considered to be naturally aspirated

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                • 90/90qs
                  S2Forum Addict
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 244
                  • Country: United States

                  #9
                  did that piston in shot 4 hit the oil squirter?
                  http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii11/minipitt1/

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                  • SteveH
                    Super Moderator
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 4460
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    If you use the wrong rings on a forced motor I've heard of issues with the chrome surface detatching. Detonation would most certainly assist this process.
                    91 Modded 3B
                    14 A6 Avant Black Edition

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                    • TDHAA
                      S2Forum Fanatic
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 62
                      • Country: Netherlands

                      #11
                      Thanks for the help guys!!

                      I didnt trust the dta/haltech style ecu anyway. It doesnt have knockcontrol so
                      it has to go,i wil use the stock adu motronic again.


                      Back@audi

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                      • 90/90qs
                        S2Forum Addict
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 244
                        • Country: United States

                        #12
                        have you considered one of these?
                        http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii11/minipitt1/

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                        • A80Avant
                          S2Forum Obsessed
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 10873
                          • Country: Greece

                          #13
                          my stock adu motronic did not hear knock very well either.

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