Suicidal Idle - A new hope !

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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #1

    Suicidal Idle - A new hope !

    This has been doing my head in for a while... Once the car is warm its fine, but you know those first couple of junctions after a cold start and you have to blip it so as not to stall.

    I think I have the solution - at least on my car and a good bet on others.

    Every once in a while I was getting a fault code for no vehicle speed input at the ECU. It would pop up some days then disappear for weeks. The speedo also worked perfect so I figured it was a glitch. I knew the ECU has the vehicle speed signal (VSS) input but remembered it as something related to HVAC integration. Turns out my memory was only half right.

    Long story here - pull up a frickin seat

    I was researching an ABY conversion for a local UR owner and was pulling my hair out going thru all the wiring diagrams and data I could find on the old green digidash to see where I could find the VSS signal - it is generated by the speedo in the S2 but not on the UR.

    As I was reading up, I realised that VSS is also used as part of idle air control on the ABY engine.

    What I couldn't understand was how URs had cruise control but no VSS from the dashboard... Then I discover that the speedo sensor input goes straight into the cruise module of a UR so it works off the raw signal.

    Without any time to hook up the sillyscope and try to watch that and drive at the same time - to try and see if the VSS output from speedo was electrically different in some way... I figured 'fuggit' and came up with a plan so cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel.

    Out with the VAG1551 / VAGCOM and into ECU measuring block 004 - sure enough at no matter what road speed, the ECU is 'seeing' 4kph (the lowest it can display). Speedo is fine and no fault codes...

    So then I pop off connector T10 above the drivers pedals (this stops speedo & tacho working and triggers an oil light but bear with me). I modify a little spade connector and bridge pins 9 (the raw signal from gearbox) and 8 (VSS from speedo to ECU)... No fault codes.

    Off I drive and now I am seeing vehicle speed in Block 004 - then I noticed I wasn't getting the suicidal idle that happens so often.

    This means a few things -

    1 - The ABY is really fussy about when and why it declares foul on that VSS signal.

    2 - I need to get a scope on to see if the root source is that my speedo isn't generating the signal (I assume it is just a buffered output) or if the 332 ECU connector extractions on my car have frigged a wire somewhere.

    3 - I can get the ABY running in the UR with VSS coming direct from G22

    4 - I should be doing this **** for a living
    Paul Nugent
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    1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
    2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
    2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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  • s2driveruk
    Super Moderator
    • Jul 2003
    • 12696
    • Country: England

    #2
    I should be doing this **** for a living


    You said it sir....
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    1992 3b S2 Coupe

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    • mcandmar
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Apr 2004
      • 5118
      • Country: Ireland

      #3
      Woah wait a minute, i have been getting some weird idle issues when starting cold, especially at the end of my road where theres a 90 degree turn, as soon as i turn in and open the throttle again the engine dies for a second then recovers. Stop at the t-junction and the idle jumps around until it sorts itself out. Also the cruise control refuses to work anymore, hmmm....
      91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
      93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
      94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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      • Sleeper_Avant
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Mar 2009
        • 2372
        • Country: England

        #4
        Mines the opposite....... once its hot and in traffic, ticking over....... dies but will start right back up, weird!
        fine when cold.

        ditching the motronic soon so it`ll be fine till then
        1993 URS4 Avant Emerald Green 350+bhp
        1991 Ford Sierra Sapphire 4x4 in Magenta
        BoooOOOSSSSSTTTT BANG BANG CHIRP CHIRP

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