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  • GazzaG60
    S2Forum Freak
    • Mar 2007
    • 4133
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    that maybe a little weak on boost.

    if its a 4 bar reg then it will show about 3-3.5bar off boost at idle and on boost its 4 bar plus boost. if you only see 1 bar then 5 bar is fine.

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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #17
      I wouldn't rule out an air leak either

      1 - seems low on boost
      2 - unmetered air drawn in will make it run more lean

      Other avenues -

      Blocked fuel filter
      Dirty / blocked fuel injectors - get on that ASNU machine
      Paul Nugent
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      • driftin jo
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Sep 2007
        • 2222
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        When you had the throttle pot checked out did you make sure the idle switch was working correctly ?
        I remember someone on here had a problem with that and it caused lean issue.

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        • JP
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Mar 2007
          • 1858
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          split diaphragm on the dump valve is common fault.
          UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

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          • spink
            S2Forum Freak
            • Jul 2003
            • 4382
            • Country: England

            #20
            Richard,fuel pumps are easy to come by just get one out of any other c4 100/a6 or coupe.Or i can lend you one if you want

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            • HMS-S6
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jan 2010
              • 1164
              • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

              #21
              Hi James, i might take you up on that as i'm sick of paying vag prices for parts that make no difference! Just paid £135 for a genuine oxy sensor this morning. Also just swapped the injector rails car to car and that made no difference either. By process of elimination it must be the pump!!!

              I'll get the boost kit sent back on monday too - thanks again for that

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              • HMS-S6
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Jan 2010
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                • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                #22
                Originally posted by driftin jo
                When you had the throttle pot checked out did you make sure the idle switch was working correctly ?
                I remember someone on here had a problem with that and it caused lean issue.
                Thanks. while at a 'loose end' i just swapped throttle bodies complete, car to car - made no difference!

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                • HMS-S6
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 1164
                  • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                  #23
                  Originally posted by RWD19T
                  split diaphragm on the dump valve is common fault.
                  Hi again, thanks for the input. Tried the baily valve thats on it, a plastic one i had and also tried it with the hose blanked off too!!

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                  • HMS-S6
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 1164
                    • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                    #24
                    James, may still take you up on your offer for loan of the pump but, had anyone around nottingham got one i can borrow? New or known good used would be ok, i would leave a deposit of some kind. This evening or tomorrow morning if at all possible?

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                    • UrS4boy
                      S2Forum Obsessed
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 11859
                      • Country: Canada

                      #25
                      Having read through the entire thread (to date), I am surprised that nobody red flagged the fuel pressure level on boost. Remember that the AAN fuel pressure regulator is designed to maintain a 4 bar pressure differential across the fuel injector, as explained here:

                      The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                      On that basis, when you are "on boost" the fuel pump has to supply enough fuel at 4 Bar *PLUS* at least the boost level, i.e. stock = about 4 Bar + 1.2 Bar = 5.2 Bar; Chipped = 4 Bar + 1.5 Bar =5.5 Bar and Mad RS2 (plus) = 4 Bar + 1.9 Bar = 5.9 Bar. Therefore, in all cases, getting only 5 Bar "on boost" = not enough pressure = lean conditions.

                      So you have three choices: replace the OE fuel pump, add an auxiliary fuel pump relay or add a 044 type pump (probably best with the auxiliary fuel pump relay). Here are some potentially useful posts:

                      How the C4 UrS fuel system works:
                      The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                      Testing your fuel pump for flow:


                      Replacing your OE fuel pump:


                      Adding an auxiliary relay to boost the voltage at the pump:
                      The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                      In the meantime, try to stay out of the boost.
                      RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                      94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                      • HMS-S6
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 1164
                        • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                        #26
                        Originally posted by UrS4boy
                        Having read through the entire thread (to date), I am surprised that nobody red flagged the fuel pressure level on boost. Remember that the AAN fuel pressure regulator is designed to maintain a 4 bar pressure differential across the fuel injector, as explained here:

                        The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                        On that basis, when you are "on boost" the fuel pump has to supply enough fuel at 4 Bar *PLUS* at least the boost level, i.e. stock = about 4 Bar + 1.2 Bar = 5.2 Bar; Chipped = 4 Bar + 1.5 Bar =5.5 Bar and Mad RS2 (plus) = 4 Bar + 1.9 Bar = 5.9 Bar. Therefore, in all cases, getting only 5 Bar "on boost" = not enough pressure = lean conditions.

                        So you have three choices: replace the OE fuel pump, add an auxiliary fuel pump relay or add a 044 type pump (probably best with the auxiliary fuel pump relay). Here are some potentially useful posts:

                        How the C4 UrS fuel system works:
                        The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                        Testing your fuel pump for flow:


                        Replacing your OE fuel pump:


                        Adding an auxiliary relay to boost the voltage at the pump:
                        The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                        In the meantime, try to stay out of the boost.
                        Thats fantastic - thanks a million!

                        For this year i will probably replace the oe pump with a stock item as i'm only running 1.4 boost pressure. Big BHP will come later!

                        As for staying out of the boost - yeh i totally agree! It makes me shudder to thing how i've been driving the car whilst putting up with this, only a month ago i 'struggled' to see 140!!! Not on a uk road of course!

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                        • UrS4boy
                          S2Forum Obsessed
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 11859
                          • Country: Canada

                          #27
                          Originally posted by motocrossmad
                          Thats fantastic - thanks a million!

                          For this year i will probably replace the oe pump with a stock item as i'm only running 1.4 boost pressure. Big BHP will come later!
                          Strongly recommend the auxiliary fuel pump relay install even with the OE 43 mm dia fuel pump. Extra volts = extra pressure (and/or flow)
                          RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                          94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                          • HMS-S6
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 1164
                            • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                            #28
                            Originally posted by UrS4boy
                            Strongly recommend the auxiliary fuel pump relay install even with the OE 43 mm dia fuel pump. Extra volts = extra pressure (and/or flow)
                            Right ok will do, thanks again!!

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                            • S2central.net
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 16590
                              • Country: Northern Ireland

                              #29
                              Yeah but if he is only getting 1 bar boost that 5bar fuel pressure is correct...

                              I think it could be a fuel pump issue causing lean running, but if it is not making target boost (say 1.2bar) then there is likely an air leak - and unmetered air will also lead to lean running.

                              I would fix the air leak first.

                              Paul

                              Originally posted by UrS4boy
                              Having read through the entire thread (to date), I am surprised that nobody red flagged the fuel pressure level on boost. Remember that the AAN fuel pressure regulator is designed to maintain a 4 bar pressure differential across the fuel injector, as explained here:

                              The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                              On that basis, when you are "on boost" the fuel pump has to supply enough fuel at 4 Bar *PLUS* at least the boost level, i.e. stock = about 4 Bar + 1.2 Bar = 5.2 Bar; Chipped = 4 Bar + 1.5 Bar =5.5 Bar and Mad RS2 (plus) = 4 Bar + 1.9 Bar = 5.9 Bar. Therefore, in all cases, getting only 5 Bar "on boost" = not enough pressure = lean conditions.

                              So you have three choices: replace the OE fuel pump, add an auxiliary fuel pump relay or add a 044 type pump (probably best with the auxiliary fuel pump relay). Here are some potentially useful posts:

                              How the C4 UrS fuel system works:
                              The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                              Testing your fuel pump for flow:


                              Replacing your OE fuel pump:


                              Adding an auxiliary relay to boost the voltage at the pump:
                              The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                              In the meantime, try to stay out of the boost.
                              Paul Nugent
                              Webmaster http://S2central.net
                              Administrator http://S2forum.com

                              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                              There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                              • HMS-S6
                                S2Forum Extremist
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 1164
                                • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                                #30
                                Its running 1.4 bar of boost, and has been leak tested with spinks tester kit, lead to new induction pipe and somco boost hoses - problem is still there!

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