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  • jorge s2
    S2Forum Addict
    • Feb 2009
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    #16
    Originally posted by Jonas_R
    If your running stock K24 turbo then you will properly kill the turbo if you run much more then 1.5 bar boost. Also I would not expect much more then 280-290 BHP on a chip alone.
    yes i have stock k24 turbo thats why i put this chips for now , because i dont want to touch the mecanical system for now , but i have 1,2 on normal boost and 1.4 on overboost . Now i ask with 280-290 hp it should be more than 1.2 on normal boost?
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    • prj
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Mar 2010
      • 6308
      • Country: Estonia

      #17
      Originally posted by jorge s2
      yes i have stock k24 turbo thats why i put this chips for now , because i dont want to touch the mecanical system for now , but i have 1,2 on normal boost and 1.4 on overboost . Now i ask with 280-290 hp it should be more than 1.2 on normal boost?
      1. Your sensor is 250kpa, so you can have max 1.5 bar boost or 2.5bar absolute pressure, before you go off the scale of the sensor. If you go off the scale of the sensor, you go in limp mode. This is the ECU-s mechanism to protect the engine.
      2. Fastech is not a very good chip company.
      3. I don't think you quite understand what is normal boost and overboost. Don't use those words. Let's talk just about boost in general. When you press down the throttle at 2500 RPM-s in third gear and hold it, you should have about 1.4-1.5 bar boost, and if you keep pressing it, it slowly goes down to 1.2 bar. This is because the turbo is small. If you want to have 1.4 bar boost at redline, you will need a bigger turbo, bigger injectors, uprated fuel pump, better exhaust manifold etc... also you will have more turbo lag.
      4. 290hp is very optimistic. It is considered that 280hp is the max on the ABY/AAN engines in stock form. 300 hp is total ********. That is why I said that fastech is not very good, if they said your car will make 300hp, they lied to you.

      And please don't screw around with the hardware on your car. If you start using a bigger wastegate spring or do other mods, you will make your car worse and your ECU will be also unable to lower boost if it detects a problem - means you can easily blow up your engine.
      Last edited by prj; 12 June 2010, 19:13.
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      • jorge s2
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        • Feb 2009
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        #18
        yes i understand that , and i know that fastech is not good chip company thats why i ask if its normal and thats the reason i choose it its cheap and i dont need to make changes on turbo admission wg motor etc. thanks for the info , cheers.
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        • 20Vcqdriver
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Jun 2007
          • 829
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          Save the grief and get Paul's Homefry.
          1.5bar ultimate limit on K24, as paul told me anything more just turns the turbo into a hot air pump
          My homefry runs at between 1.3 and 1.4 bar depending on revs/gear I'm in and with a partially ported head, no cats and performance exhaust kicks out 290bhp (on a nice cool day)
          1986 Coupe q - 2281cc 3B, chargecooler, 2.75" exh & downpipe, ported head, water injection, CGR box, modified MD357 turbo, 440cc injectors, high power coil.
          2004 A4 2.5TDi convertible, re-mapped to 180bhp
          2011 A5 sportback 3TDi-Backbox delete, remap

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          • prj
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Mar 2010
            • 6308
            • Country: Estonia

            #20
            Well, I can't say what is normal or not...
            I can just tell you the limits - 1.45-1.47 bar is the maximum pressure you should ever have with a 250kPa map sensor.

            If you want to have more pressure and don't care about your turbo, you can install a 3 bar map sensor and map the pressure higher. You can get 1.7 bar at around 3000 rpm, but you will be overspinning the turbo, and heavily shortening it's lifespan. The k24 7000 is very resilient to abuse though...

            But yeah, as the poster above said, you should have probably asked on the forum before for opinions on which upgrade to get instead of going to fastech. There are quite a few people on this forum who can help you with better software or well, if not better, at least known to work by many on the forum, if you send your ECU or chips...
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            • jorge s2
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              • Feb 2009
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              #21
              yes i know that i have friends whit paul chips and i want to make a nice repro with paul chips but for now i economcly reduced if you now what i mean . thanks .
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              • prj
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                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #22
                Originally posted by jorge s2
                a nice repro with paul chips
                If you mean that you are going to copy paul's chips from another car, then I don't think he will like it. I wouldn't in his place.
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                • jorge s2
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by prj
                  If you mean that you are going to copy paul's chips from another car, then I don't think he will like it. I wouldn't in his place.
                  wath the hell are saying mate you putting words in my mouth , im just sayng that FOR NOW I DONT HAVE EUROS TO DO A REPRO WITH PAULS CHIPS AND IN THE FUTURE I WILL CHANGE TURBO , WG SPRINGS , DV AND WATH EVER IT TAKES AND GET THE CHIPS FROM PAUL. its clear now????
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                  • prj
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                    • Mar 2010
                    • 6308
                    • Country: Estonia

                    #24
                    No need to get angry. It's probably just the language barrier.
                    repro = reproduce. "Do a repro" = make a copy.

                    But I think I understand what you mean now. Less hate
                    Also, unless you make your car exactly like a RS2, you will need live remapping for a good result.
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                    • jorge s2
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                      • Feb 2009
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by prj
                      No need to get angry. It's probably just the language barrier.
                      repro = reproduce. "Do a repro" = make a copy.

                      But I think I understand what you mean now. Less hate
                      Also, unless you make your car exactly like a RS2, you will need live remapping for a good result.
                      im not angry mate. and yes remapping here we call repro ( reprogame). this fu... crisis dont let us do what we want to do. cheers.
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                      • prj
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                        • Mar 2010
                        • 6308
                        • Country: Estonia

                        #26
                        Ok, then it indeed was just the language barrier. Glad we got this settled
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                        • jorge s2
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                          • Feb 2009
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by prj
                          Ok, then it indeed was just the language barrier. Glad we got this settled
                          yes mate this is all passion for this s2 cars and for knowing new people and change ideas and knowledge , not to get angry.
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