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  • karlblues2
    S2Forum Addict
    • Jul 2004
    • 402
    • Home: England Current: Australia

    #1

    Black smoke! Black Smoke :(

    Hi guys
    Driving in traffic this morning and very start stop at that. The S2 would almost die, then it would shoot off with lots of black smoke exiting the exhaust. Also pops when backing off. Any ideas??
    O2 sensor? TPS? Temp sensor? Fuel pressure regulator??
    Cheers
    Oct 93 build MY 94 ABY Kingfisher Blue Audi S2 with MD147 turbo :mischeif:u SOLD
    Audi 90 Quattro 20V 1989 7A
    Audi TTRS 2010 APR stage 2 +
    Triumph 675 Street Triple R
  • Acidburn
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Jun 2007
    • 13459
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    boost leak i'd say, sounds like what I had with my s2.

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    • karlblues2
      S2Forum Addict
      • Jul 2004
      • 402
      • Home: England Current: Australia

      #3
      Thanks mate. I checked all the obvious hoses before posting, but I'll check again. assuming no boost leak, any other ideas?
      Cheers
      Karl
      Oz
      Oct 93 build MY 94 ABY Kingfisher Blue Audi S2 with MD147 turbo :mischeif:u SOLD
      Audi 90 Quattro 20V 1989 7A
      Audi TTRS 2010 APR stage 2 +
      Triumph 675 Street Triple R

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      • karlblues2
        S2Forum Addict
        • Jul 2004
        • 402
        • Home: England Current: Australia

        #4
        Well it seems the Engine Temp Sensor is faulty! Reading -49 degrees C at idle
        Hopefully that will fix it. I guess that is why it was forcing so much fuel through!!
        Cheers
        Karl
        Oct 93 build MY 94 ABY Kingfisher Blue Audi S2 with MD147 turbo :mischeif:u SOLD
        Audi 90 Quattro 20V 1989 7A
        Audi TTRS 2010 APR stage 2 +
        Triumph 675 Street Triple R

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        • prj
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Mar 2010
          • 6308
          • Country: Estonia

          #5
          At idle? Or when the car is standing still with ignition on and the engine not running?
          If it is really reading it this way at idle - then yes, it's faulty.
          However, if the car only has the ignition on and the engine is not running, then it's normal for it to display this.
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          • karlblues2
            S2Forum Addict
            • Jul 2004
            • 402
            • Home: England Current: Australia

            #6
            Thanks mate. It occurred at idle and whilst switched off, so I think it is stuffed then eh?
            It will be changed this afternoon. If that hasn't fixed it (fingers crossed it has) then what else could it be?
            Cheers
            Karl
            Oz
            Oct 93 build MY 94 ABY Kingfisher Blue Audi S2 with MD147 turbo :mischeif:u SOLD
            Audi 90 Quattro 20V 1989 7A
            Audi TTRS 2010 APR stage 2 +
            Triumph 675 Street Triple R

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            • karlblues2
              S2Forum Addict
              • Jul 2004
              • 402
              • Home: England Current: Australia

              #7
              Also the throttle position at idle is 8.7 degrees. Is this correct??
              Cheers in advance
              Karl
              Oz
              Oct 93 build MY 94 ABY Kingfisher Blue Audi S2 with MD147 turbo :mischeif:u SOLD
              Audi 90 Quattro 20V 1989 7A
              Audi TTRS 2010 APR stage 2 +
              Triumph 675 Street Triple R

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              • prj
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #8
                Usually is 5-6 degrees on idle.
                I would not say 8 is out of the ordinary though.
                If your sensor stays at -49C all the time, then it's shot for sure and changing it should cure the problem.
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                • karlblues2
                  S2Forum Addict
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 402
                  • Home: England Current: Australia

                  #9
                  Great! Thanks matey. Is it worth adjusting back to 5-6 degrees?
                  I'll let you know if fault is fixed later tonight
                  Cheers
                  Karl
                  Oct 93 build MY 94 ABY Kingfisher Blue Audi S2 with MD147 turbo :mischeif:u SOLD
                  Audi 90 Quattro 20V 1989 7A
                  Audi TTRS 2010 APR stage 2 +
                  Triumph 675 Street Triple R

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                  • prj
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 6308
                    • Country: Estonia

                    #10
                    TPS is not that important for engine management on these cars.
                    If your cable has been fiddled on - I guess it'd make sense to adjust it.

                    Don't fix what's not broken though. Considering it runs closed-loop idle control, if your idle is fine, then no point wasting time on it.
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                    • karlblues2
                      S2Forum Addict
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 402
                      • Home: England Current: Australia

                      #11
                      Thank you prj
                      Cheers
                      Karl
                      Oct 93 build MY 94 ABY Kingfisher Blue Audi S2 with MD147 turbo :mischeif:u SOLD
                      Audi 90 Quattro 20V 1989 7A
                      Audi TTRS 2010 APR stage 2 +
                      Triumph 675 Street Triple R

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                      • pasbogdan
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 1160
                        • Country: Romania

                        #12
                        -49 was mine with ignition on.At iddle it was normal.Are you shure your interface was reading at iddle?or the screen was the one from the test with ignition switched on?

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                        • karlblues2
                          S2Forum Addict
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 402
                          • Home: England Current: Australia

                          #13
                          Maybe I need to test it again this arvo
                          Oct 93 build MY 94 ABY Kingfisher Blue Audi S2 with MD147 turbo :mischeif:u SOLD
                          Audi 90 Quattro 20V 1989 7A
                          Audi TTRS 2010 APR stage 2 +
                          Triumph 675 Street Triple R

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                          • karlblues2
                            S2Forum Addict
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 402
                            • Home: England Current: Australia

                            #14
                            OK Temp gauge in the car was reading 110 degrees after inserting new temp sensor.
                            Any ideas why?
                            With old temp sensor in it would read accurately at just below 90 degrees. On VAGCOM, temp reads nearer 90 degrees. All that has changed is the temp sensor. Any ideas? As it is still in the workshop, have yet to check whether it has fixed the black smoke issue
                            Cheers
                            Karl
                            Oz
                            Oct 93 build MY 94 ABY Kingfisher Blue Audi S2 with MD147 turbo :mischeif:u SOLD
                            Audi 90 Quattro 20V 1989 7A
                            Audi TTRS 2010 APR stage 2 +
                            Triumph 675 Street Triple R

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                            • prj
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 6308
                              • Country: Estonia

                              #15
                              Didn't the gauge use a different sensor - not the same as the ECU?
                              I need to look at some diagrams though.

                              VAG-COM indication should be correct anyway. Coolant temp should be between 87 and 98 degrees when car is warmed up. The latter only if you are pushing it hard...
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