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  • Error404
    Super Moderator
    • Mar 2007
    • 19789
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    7A vs 3B blocks

    I'v got a choice to use either a 3B or a 7A block for my build. Both are good.

    Investing in new pistons so will be getting a re-bore either way.
    Obviously i will gain about 100 CC using the 7A but are there any downsides i.e. cylinder wall thickness / stability?

    Cheers
    Alex
    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
    Indigo ABY coupé
    Imola B6 S4 Avant
  • JP
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Mar 2007
    • 1858
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    Stock mls gasket is 82mm 7A is 82.5mm
    UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

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    • 20Vcqdriver
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Jun 2007
      • 829
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Know several people using the 7A block so must be an easy answer. Hope so as just started stripping a spare 7A to replace my 3B block...... Like you say and instant 100cc extra
      1986 Coupe q - 2281cc 3B, chargecooler, 2.75" exh & downpipe, ported head, water injection, CGR box, modified MD357 turbo, 440cc injectors, high power coil.
      2004 A4 2.5TDi convertible, re-mapped to 180bhp
      2011 A5 sportback 3TDi-Backbox delete, remap

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      • spink
        S2Forum Freak
        • Jul 2003
        • 4382
        • Country: England

        #4
        [QUOTE=20Vcqdriver;579626Know several people using the 7A block so must be an easy answer. Hope so as just started stripping a spare 7A to replace my 3B block...... Like you say and instant 100cc extra[/QUOTE]

        still no sign of it then?

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        • OldKingPole
          S2Forum Buff
          • Sep 2008
          • 48
          • Home: England Current: United Kingdom

          #5
          Sorry, are we talking just using the 7A block with 3B internals or 7A block and 7A internals? And i'm assuming a 3B or other 20vt head to cap it off right?
          "Its made with bits of real S2, so you know its good."

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          • Error404
            Super Moderator
            • Mar 2007
            • 19789
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Originally posted by RWD19T
            Stock mls gasket is 82mm 7A is 82.5mm
            Thanks for the info mate, that might be a decider then.
            Do you know if they available for the 7A block on the aftermarket?
            Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
            Indigo ABY coupé
            Imola B6 S4 Avant

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            • andy10v
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Mar 2009
              • 5996
              • Country: Scotland

              #7
              Things I have read; gasket as said, thinner walls and also less option too oversize in future due to wear/accidents (don't know if that is a consideration to you though)

              That said seem to be a few high hp 7a base motors.
              Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

              Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
              Sold ABY-stock

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              • JP
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Mar 2007
                • 1858
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                If I were doing a 7a block properly I'd run the stock fibre gasket and o-ring the block. It's a cheaper and more effective solution for the 600hp bracket than the overkill copper gasket and o-ring route.
                UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

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                • Rocco
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 6393
                  • Country: Spain

                  #9
                  If you want more power,displacement,torque, use the 3b block with a 92.8 or 95.5 crankshafts.



                  It is possible of course!
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                  • Error404
                    Super Moderator
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 19789
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Originally posted by RWD19T
                    If I were doing a 7a block properly I'd run the stock fibre gasket and o-ring the block. It's a cheaper and more effective solution for the 600hp bracket than the overkill copper gasket and o-ring route.
                    I'm trying to put together a bulletproof engine capable of a reliable 450-500lbft with as big an area under the curve as poss. So considering the 7A purely from an extra CC point of view, i guess my question should be is it worth going down the 7A route to help me achieve my goal?
                    Books I have read have stressed bore stability as being critical though, which was my concern about the thinner cylinder walls on the 7A being more suceptible to ovaling, especially if it was rebored to 82.75 for new pistons.
                    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                    Indigo ABY coupé
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                    • x6rs
                      S2Forum Enthusiast
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 134
                      • Country: Sweden

                      #11
                      heard of a guy in sweden with 600hp+ s2 coupe 7a... oem internals(didnt open the engine!), big turbo, NIRA efi, and drove it on e85

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                      • x6rs
                        S2Forum Enthusiast
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 134
                        • Country: Sweden

                        #12
                        guess i was wrong, he did change rods and bearings, but used oem pistons from 7a and didnt change pistonrings
                        heres the tread, but only in swedish: http://www.karlstadracing.nu/viewtop...147&hilit=audi

                        645 hp/764 nm

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                        • 20Vcqdriver
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 829
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          Originally posted by spink
                          still no sign of it then?
                          Given up to be honest, but might have done me a favour if I can get this 7A to fit easily which it looks like it will and gain a capacity increase. Looks like 034 do a metal gasket for $95 that suits 82.5 bore.. Just need to source the pistons before i do anything else... Any recommended, Wossner seems to be several peoples preference as no slap when cold apparently
                          1986 Coupe q - 2281cc 3B, chargecooler, 2.75" exh & downpipe, ported head, water injection, CGR box, modified MD357 turbo, 440cc injectors, high power coil.
                          2004 A4 2.5TDi convertible, re-mapped to 180bhp
                          2011 A5 sportback 3TDi-Backbox delete, remap

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                          • Jamo
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 21750
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Re gasket ask Terrybullwon to overbore the standard metal gasket which he can to 83mm, problem solved.

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                            • Jeltuh
                              S2Forum Fanatic
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 73
                              • Country: Netherlands

                              #15
                              Originally posted by x6rs
                              guess i was wrong, he did change rods and bearings, but used oem pistons from 7a and didnt change pistonrings
                              heres the tread, but only in swedish: http://www.karlstadracing.nu/viewtop...147&hilit=audi

                              645 hp/764 nm
                              Did he use the stock head as well? Couldn't find it in the thread.

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